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hello everyone and welcome to the show

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martin willis your host sorry for the

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delay start here

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if you could only see behind the scenes

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you'll see uh sometimes the struggles of

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a live show that uh we were tried

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for relentlessly for the last over the

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last half hour to get um

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monroe neville's our guest

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uh through

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on the internet and it didn't work he's

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going to be on the phone

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uh so we we do have him

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he's uh waiting um in the wings and

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rendel shim forest i always say is one

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of

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the most interesting

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ufo encounters it involved a military

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base in england an american

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military base in england it happened in

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december

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of 1980 and for those of you who are new

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you should hear a lot about the story

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tonight but i did post a link in the

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show notes and it's also in the text

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down below and youtube facebook all that

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um so you can read up on that it's a uh

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it's a very interesting encounter

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happened over a number of days i think

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it was december 26 through the 28th i

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believe

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and our guest was with uh colonel

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charles halt at the time

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uh when he saw some things some amazing

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and uh one thing i got to tell you right

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now i really like about um monroe

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and after doing a bit of research and by

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the way jim peniston

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is the one who actually connected me

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with him

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and um he throws no punches there's no

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flights of fancy that you could kind of

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make a ufo joke out of that somehow but

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anyway

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it's he says he says things the way they

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are

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he does not embellish it all um i've

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talked to him and he's a great witness

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to this uh very unusual event

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and i'm really lucky to uh have him on

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this show tonight um we have a

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blog as usual this week from charles

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lear and it is called the ufo news

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clipping service an interesting blog

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check that out

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our blog is always made into audio blogs

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uh we're a little late on this one this

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week had to do with the cold weather

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believe it or not it's not too bad right

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now and a hello to a friend down in

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florida

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and i think we're about ready to get

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started i do want to thank everyone that

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listens to the show and everyone that

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supports the show

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i really appreciate it and we are ready

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to roll here we go

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hello there monroe

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hello how are you doing

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good well we gave it a good try didn't

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not up to date on it like most people

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are yeah well we made it

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yeah well thank goodness for phones

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anyway right

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exactly yeah um so monroe uh

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you were there uh you you were there at

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uh bent waters

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um at reynolds in the rendelsham force

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and you had quite an experience and if

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you would uh first of all a few people

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have asked me

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um why they haven't heard that much from

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you over the years i know you were in a

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few different

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movies documentaries stuff like that but

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uh have you kind of kept quiet about

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this situation over the years

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no sir what happened is that uh when

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they start by originally the way it

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happened was that

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my name that last name is nev

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and british spell my name is me

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no one had ever been able to get a hold

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from here and they had tried supposedly

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and i finally got uh brian gumbel

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finally got hold of me in 2003

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and that was when we started finally

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connecting and getting things out into

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for one have was in disaster

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preparedness

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and i had a lot of major contact with

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the basement commander all the time and

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the reason i had the contact was my

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background as a marine

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uh having uh skills that was different

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from what i had from the air force

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help connect the cold war with nuclear

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biological and chemical explain

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and my experience was a trainer or on an

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instructor

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and i trained teams that went out well

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for observations when we had exercises

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and so i stayed visited mainly with the

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base commander and the wing commander

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both soccer and conrad

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as the base commander and colonel

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williams as the wing commander

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and they signed off on my aprs i am a

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performance report so i direct i was in

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direct contact with an officer

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captain sue jones that was my boss

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and she was brought in

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specifically by third air force

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and that was how i connected with the

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base and the wing commander and as a

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photographer i had practical appearance

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anyway

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and as a top taker i could go anywhere

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on the base i wanted to go and shoot

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colonel hall in his latest book

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of uh some of the negative

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things he put in

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about me

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and that i had

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wandered off into and got uh taken down

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by the security police because i was in

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in a uh secure area

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and when they were told to call the wing

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commander he straightened them out on

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that idea real quick

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and so i had freedom running around the

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face with him

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and the base commander because i could

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communicate with them better than i

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could with some of the other people

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and that was how i got started with

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the way i got started uh with the went

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render from uh event

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is i had done several

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uh programs uh and

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special assignment by

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base commander from conrad

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about three o'clock in the afternoon

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uh the command based commander uh sent

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security police from

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lieutenant england

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out to my house and base housing over on

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about going through the house

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to check and see if anybody was in the

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room in the house where they could hear

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what was being said and consequently

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what happened was that he

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made the statement to me that

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uh cronk conrad had sent him out to pick

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me up

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who put me on a special assignment and

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uh you know he's a different top secret

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friend he's uh top secret he said you're

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not discussing with anybody

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uh at all

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and he said he wants you to go out there

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and make your own observation

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because he said this is the only you're

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the only one he can plug

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to go out to

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the fight

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and make an observation and come back

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and give him an honest answer

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and that was how it all got started

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and you know that that was that was the

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beginning of the event and then fourth

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right and can you um for

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i think it's always important

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for you know people that

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are unfamiliar you know i as i mentioned

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in the beginning i i did put a link down

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below just so you know people that are

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new want to research but kind of a recap

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um

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jim and john burroughs they saw what

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they saw on the 26th

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so if you can kind of just

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um in a nutshell uh talk about the

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events that you know of and and first of

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all did you hear about this before you

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were contacted

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um to go out that particular night

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no sir

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i was not for now i wasn't in contact

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uh the commander base commander uh pearl

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conrad and i communicated quite a bit

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and nothing had been said and

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there's a lot of this uh what i call

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disparity

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about this whole thing

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uh colonel

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statement right now

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anger bitterness or anything for conor

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connor i'll come home

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however

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he has put out a lot of information

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about me

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and tried to discredit me but i have a

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statement that i learned a long time ago

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not only from colonel williams

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but uh the wayne commander but others it

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said monroe said if you'll always tell

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the truth

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from the beginning

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you'll never have to go back

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and change your story

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and that's exactly what i've done i've

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told the crew from day one

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and i'll tell the day to the day i die

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it'll be the same sword and never

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with that in mind what happened was that

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crown conrad

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wanted me to go out

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with my observation skills he had had

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experience with me

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uh

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even getting a flying

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there and going around and doing tone to

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what we call tone down back then

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which was camouflaged

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and of course my background as a marine

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was much different than the air force

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and i was trained as a combat marine

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i was also a helicopter mechanic

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i was also

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in nuclear biological chemical and i

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went to the best schools that were

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available at the time

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and i was able to witness

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uh much more

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uh things that uh other people never got

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uh you know with all the different

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chemicals and radiation etc

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and i was trained to fly

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at 100 feet up

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with the

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radioactive instrument and be able to

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detect radiation on the ground from 100

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feet and while the aircraft was flying

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so i had that experience and i had the

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knowledge on how to put this together

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so colonel hall i've been lieutenant

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england came out and told me that uh

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colonel i mean current cromwell had

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wanted me to go

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uh out and do my own research

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and come back and give him an honest

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answer and he would be at the club

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so we did we went out i had to take my

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uh my daughter you know to

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up the chapel on book bent waters

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and

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leave her with my

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wife she was three years old at the time

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so we did that but before we did that uh

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from um in lieutenant names i'm not

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getting a mix lieutenant england

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uh

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proceeded to tell me what had happened

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and he said that there shortly after

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midnight on the

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25th i guess it'd be now the 26th

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but between 25 and 26

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that uh

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finishing and uh burrows had been out

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and they had observed the ufo incident

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but he did not want to take his word for

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it

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because he really i don't think believed

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it was there or

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or whatever least

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but he wanted me to go out and and come

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back and give him a report

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so we did we

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talked about it and he said that

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the rumor had been that

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someone was uh

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taken aboard the

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aircraft and he didn't believe you know

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he said they just wanted me to go out

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and make my own observation so i did

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so we went out proceeded to go and he

331
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was telling me some of the things that

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they had deserved

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and

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we got out there about probably

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about three about four o'clock i'd say

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in the afternoon because he came out

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about three

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and he took me out there and he started

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talking i said uh

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respectfully

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said uh

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after i told lieutenant england i said

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that please

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let me look around let me make my own

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observation

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and you know and do what the commander

347
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wants me to do and i didn't want him to

348
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put any interjection or anything into it

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just let me look

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and i was framed to do that so that's

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what i did

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and as we looked he showed me the marks

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on the ground

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there were three parts where this

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aircraft or whatever had sat down

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and

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was told that

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the forestry service had said

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that the

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uh they did a dense autumnal reading on

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the

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had sat down

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and i'll call it an aircraft probably

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three years will be the problem to

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communicate that way

366
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and anyway he said when it sat down

367
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that the impact on the ground or the

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indians on the ground were all different

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and the same proclaimed density

370
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well what that meant was that there was

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uneven ground

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and over the years as i thought about

373
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all this i put it together in my own

374
00:16:26,069 --> 00:16:24,000
observation that

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obviously it looked like it was

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controlled maybe it's a violent

377
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gyroscope you know kind of like a pop

378
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spinning around

379
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and what was happening was that when it

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i figured it must have

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hovered

382
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and then dropped the legs down and just

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set them down but it fades even

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and then in doing so that would compress

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the ground in those three spots at the

386
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frame you know the same thickness

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so as i looked around and saw that uh

388
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you know i found a free indent

389
00:17:03,509 --> 00:17:01,440
on three different levels

390
00:17:06,470 --> 00:17:03,519
and if you take a tripod like from a

391
00:17:09,829 --> 00:17:06,480
camera you take a trial tripod

392
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and hold it by the head and drop the leg

393
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it'll all that'll match up and even out

394
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with

395
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frame level

396
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so we did that anyway i checked that and

397
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i noticed that the

398
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cruise had been

399
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marked down in some areas

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but i was told

401
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uh again by lieutenant england

402
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that when this uh took off

403
00:17:38,789 --> 00:17:36,480
that it went through the trees a hundred

404
00:17:41,830 --> 00:17:38,799
feet up went through the trees and

405
00:17:44,070 --> 00:17:41,840
didn't knock off any lamp

406
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and it just went through it

407
00:17:47,909 --> 00:17:46,320
and so i looked up and you know and

408
00:17:48,950 --> 00:17:47,919
checked this out

409
00:17:52,870 --> 00:17:48,960
and

410
00:17:56,230 --> 00:17:52,880
looking around i could not see anything

411
00:17:57,990 --> 00:17:56,240
uh supernatural or anything like that at

412
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the time because

413
00:18:01,270 --> 00:18:00,640
all i was doing was making an official

414
00:18:03,669 --> 00:18:01,280
of

415
00:18:07,430 --> 00:18:03,679
observation for the commander

416
00:18:09,830 --> 00:18:07,440
and as i looked i saw uh several things

417
00:18:12,150 --> 00:18:09,840
you know like the trees and

418
00:18:15,190 --> 00:18:12,160
looking around the ground and looking at

419
00:18:16,710 --> 00:18:15,200
uh and i didn't see anything out there

420
00:18:17,990 --> 00:18:16,720
that was uh

421
00:18:19,110 --> 00:18:18,000
anything

422
00:18:20,789 --> 00:18:19,120
major

423
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at the time

424
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but

425
00:18:27,510 --> 00:18:24,400
when i went about we started back

426
00:18:30,150 --> 00:18:27,520
and as i forget when we started out to

427
00:18:32,390 --> 00:18:30,160
go back out the gate to go back and see

428
00:18:33,990 --> 00:18:32,400
the commander at the club

429
00:18:35,990 --> 00:18:34,000
all of a sudden there was a lot of

430
00:18:41,029 --> 00:18:36,000
static electricity

431
00:18:43,590 --> 00:18:41,039
guess was it was so strong that the

432
00:18:45,110 --> 00:18:43,600
hairs on my arm and my neck were

433
00:18:48,630 --> 00:18:45,120
sticking out

434
00:18:51,430 --> 00:18:48,640
and i couldn't believe it and i told the

435
00:18:54,310 --> 00:18:51,440
asked the lieutenant to stop

436
00:18:55,430 --> 00:18:54,320
and it was starting to get dark and we

437
00:18:57,750 --> 00:18:55,440
had

438
00:18:59,029 --> 00:18:57,760
night vision i guess night vision

439
00:19:02,549 --> 00:18:59,039
startled

440
00:19:05,110 --> 00:19:02,559
and i was uh stepped out of uh jesus i

441
00:19:07,430 --> 00:19:05,120
told him to stop and he stopped it deep

442
00:19:09,990 --> 00:19:07,440
and on the left-hand side

443
00:19:12,549 --> 00:19:10,000
of us going out the gate on the same

444
00:19:15,669 --> 00:19:12,559
side where the craft that landed

445
00:19:18,310 --> 00:19:15,679
was it looked like a an eyeball

446
00:19:21,029 --> 00:19:18,320
and i say an eyeball because

447
00:19:22,710 --> 00:19:21,039
if you look through uh night fishing

448
00:19:24,390 --> 00:19:22,720
goggles or

449
00:19:27,190 --> 00:19:24,400
that we have now

450
00:19:29,590 --> 00:19:27,200
uh you know it's picked up by heat and

451
00:19:30,710 --> 00:19:29,600
the sweet you know the site is black and

452
00:19:33,909 --> 00:19:30,720
green

453
00:19:36,710 --> 00:19:33,919
and it just looks like it was winky

454
00:19:37,510 --> 00:19:36,720
and i observed and i thought okay if

455
00:19:41,590 --> 00:19:37,520
it's

456
00:19:43,830 --> 00:19:41,600
that's running on and off

457
00:19:47,990 --> 00:19:43,840
and i kept watching it

458
00:19:50,470 --> 00:19:48,000
and i was just kind of uh

459
00:19:52,390 --> 00:19:50,480
agitated with bluetooth england at the

460
00:19:54,789 --> 00:19:52,400
time because he wanted me to get in the

461
00:19:57,669 --> 00:19:54,799
teeth he was kind of scared

462
00:20:00,070 --> 00:19:57,679
and i said well her let me know bird so

463
00:20:02,310 --> 00:20:00,080
i looked i went around and got in the

464
00:20:03,270 --> 00:20:02,320
deep and it calmed down

465
00:20:05,190 --> 00:20:03,280
the light

466
00:20:07,909 --> 00:20:05,200
stopped

467
00:20:09,669 --> 00:20:07,919
then i got out and when i got out it

468
00:20:11,990 --> 00:20:09,679
started up again

469
00:20:15,110 --> 00:20:12,000
and i got back in the jeep and stopped

470
00:20:17,669 --> 00:20:15,120
and i got back out one more time

471
00:20:18,470 --> 00:20:17,679
and i and he kept saying let's go let's

472
00:20:21,029 --> 00:20:18,480
go

473
00:20:23,830 --> 00:20:21,039
i said guard please with all due respect

474
00:20:25,029 --> 00:20:23,840
let me do what commander has sent me out

475
00:20:28,470 --> 00:20:25,039
to do

476
00:20:30,870 --> 00:20:28,480
and so i kept watching see what happened

477
00:20:31,990 --> 00:20:30,880
and i got back to you and i said okay we

478
00:20:35,190 --> 00:20:32,000
can go

479
00:20:37,190 --> 00:20:35,200
so we went to the club who uh we had was

480
00:20:39,029 --> 00:20:37,200
all scruffy and we went to the club and

481
00:20:41,430 --> 00:20:39,039
i said man we don't look good he said

482
00:20:43,669 --> 00:20:41,440
here he said i'm ordered to go straight

483
00:20:46,310 --> 00:20:43,679
back on the comrade

484
00:20:48,390 --> 00:20:46,320
i got back and

485
00:20:51,430 --> 00:20:48,400
i walked we walked up to the major day

486
00:20:54,230 --> 00:20:51,440
in the later d said uh just a minute and

487
00:20:55,830 --> 00:20:54,240
he stepped in and and told from conrad

488
00:20:58,390 --> 00:20:55,840
that i was out there

489
00:21:00,390 --> 00:20:58,400
and he come out the door and he didn't

490
00:21:03,830 --> 00:21:00,400
look at lieutenant england he looked at

491
00:21:06,230 --> 00:21:03,840
me and he said lord neville do you think

492
00:21:07,750 --> 00:21:06,240
uh what do you think i told him and he

493
00:21:09,909 --> 00:21:07,760
said well do you think

494
00:21:12,070 --> 00:21:09,919
uh there's a reason we ought to go back

495
00:21:14,630 --> 00:21:12,080
out and check it out and further

496
00:21:18,630 --> 00:21:14,640
observation i said yes sir he said come

497
00:21:20,870 --> 00:21:18,640
with me and we stepped in the room

498
00:21:23,029 --> 00:21:20,880
and i honestly

499
00:21:24,549 --> 00:21:23,039
didn't see more than maybe eight or ten

500
00:21:27,190 --> 00:21:24,559
people in there

501
00:21:28,070 --> 00:21:27,200
but i wasn't paying any attention

502
00:21:30,390 --> 00:21:28,080
so

503
00:21:32,230 --> 00:21:30,400
anyway the commander asked me to give a

504
00:21:34,950 --> 00:21:32,240
free opinion i did

505
00:21:37,110 --> 00:21:34,960
and then he asked me a question he said

506
00:21:38,630 --> 00:21:37,120
uh are you ready to go back out and i

507
00:21:39,990 --> 00:21:38,640
said yes sir

508
00:21:42,630 --> 00:21:40,000
so

509
00:21:43,669 --> 00:21:42,640
he turned to the rest of the folks in

510
00:21:47,830 --> 00:21:43,679
there

511
00:21:50,149 --> 00:21:47,840
you know security police and uh

512
00:21:53,350 --> 00:21:50,159
civil engineers etc

513
00:21:55,909 --> 00:21:53,360
and told them to go with me

514
00:21:58,710 --> 00:21:55,919
well at the time i did not know what was

515
00:22:01,110 --> 00:21:58,720
going on with the chrome crawl

516
00:22:03,510 --> 00:22:01,120
turner hall came down to the where i was

517
00:22:06,789 --> 00:22:03,520
sitting at the table as they were going

518
00:22:08,870 --> 00:22:06,799
out the door and they said the car never

519
00:22:10,230 --> 00:22:08,880
uh you think it'd be okay if i went out

520
00:22:12,230 --> 00:22:10,240
there with you

521
00:22:15,029 --> 00:22:12,240
and i you know at the time i said what

522
00:22:17,669 --> 00:22:15,039
the blue colonel tell asking me of the

523
00:22:20,390 --> 00:22:17,679
platform if he can go out there

524
00:22:23,510 --> 00:22:20,400
well later on over the years trump

525
00:22:26,630 --> 00:22:23,520
conrad told me that he ordered

526
00:22:29,510 --> 00:22:26,640
con chrono not to go out there

527
00:22:31,350 --> 00:22:29,520
and i didn't know why but he told me

528
00:22:33,190 --> 00:22:31,360
and he said i told him not to go out

529
00:22:35,029 --> 00:22:33,200
there and he did it anyway i told him

530
00:22:37,029 --> 00:22:35,039
not to write the memo and he did it

531
00:22:38,230 --> 00:22:37,039
anyway i told him and then etcetera

532
00:22:39,270 --> 00:22:38,240
etcetera

533
00:22:42,950 --> 00:22:39,280
and

534
00:22:45,909 --> 00:22:42,960
back in uh i think it was old

535
00:22:47,750 --> 00:22:45,919
age or somewhere around that time frame

536
00:22:52,549 --> 00:22:47,760
uh

537
00:22:53,990 --> 00:22:52,559
met with colonel conrad and his wife

538
00:22:57,270 --> 00:22:54,000
king

539
00:23:00,149 --> 00:22:57,280
up in san angelo where they live

540
00:23:01,270 --> 00:23:00,159
about 85 miles from where i live

541
00:23:03,669 --> 00:23:01,280
and

542
00:23:06,789 --> 00:23:03,679
he told me up there then

543
00:23:09,350 --> 00:23:06,799
all the things that he had said and done

544
00:23:12,230 --> 00:23:09,360
well over the years

545
00:23:15,029 --> 00:23:12,240
because of what i had to say

546
00:23:16,950 --> 00:23:15,039
i started being shot down by

547
00:23:20,549 --> 00:23:16,960
tong hall

548
00:23:21,430 --> 00:23:20,559
and conan halton i had been up to that

549
00:23:23,590 --> 00:23:21,440
time

550
00:23:25,510 --> 00:23:23,600
you know pretty good buddies as far as

551
00:23:26,630 --> 00:23:25,520
we went around doing photography

552
00:23:29,669 --> 00:23:26,640
together

553
00:23:30,870 --> 00:23:29,679
and i'll do things for him taking photos

554
00:23:32,710 --> 00:23:30,880
and stuff

555
00:23:35,830 --> 00:23:32,720
and i did that

556
00:23:39,029 --> 00:23:35,840
but somehow his story didn't match up

557
00:23:41,110 --> 00:23:39,039
with my story and that's where all the

558
00:23:43,990 --> 00:23:41,120
disparity came from

559
00:23:46,310 --> 00:23:44,000
but over the last 41 years i've never

560
00:23:48,870 --> 00:23:46,320
changed my story and i will not change

561
00:23:51,669 --> 00:23:48,880
it this is what happened

562
00:23:54,870 --> 00:23:51,679
so we go through uh it was suggested

563
00:23:57,029 --> 00:23:54,880
that we go to the base and pick up uh

564
00:23:59,269 --> 00:23:57,039
you know a radioactive instrument

565
00:24:02,549 --> 00:23:59,279
so we went over to the disaster target's

566
00:24:05,510 --> 00:24:02,559
office by now it's getting dark and late

567
00:24:06,950 --> 00:24:05,520
and i went over and picked up uh

568
00:24:09,029 --> 00:24:06,960
two instruments

569
00:24:12,070 --> 00:24:09,039
an ampdr27

570
00:24:14,870 --> 00:24:12,080
and an a and pdr43

571
00:24:17,830 --> 00:24:14,880
and i was checking those out i'll see

572
00:24:18,870 --> 00:24:17,840
which would be the best i didn't have to

573
00:24:21,029 --> 00:24:18,880
uh

574
00:24:23,190 --> 00:24:21,039
check for batteries or check for

575
00:24:25,830 --> 00:24:23,200
recharge or anything cause that was my

576
00:24:27,350 --> 00:24:25,840
job i did that every week i teleported

577
00:24:29,909 --> 00:24:27,360
them every week

578
00:24:32,230 --> 00:24:29,919
and so i went in there and

579
00:24:35,110 --> 00:24:32,240
uh got picked out the one i wanted to

580
00:24:37,190 --> 00:24:35,120
bring with me and come on out the door

581
00:24:40,070 --> 00:24:37,200
and why i did not pick up the

582
00:24:43,669 --> 00:24:40,080
densitometer i don't know an estimate

583
00:24:45,590 --> 00:24:43,679
that records how much radiation you get

584
00:24:48,390 --> 00:24:45,600
so anyway we

585
00:24:51,269 --> 00:24:48,400
proceeded to go back out to the site

586
00:24:54,230 --> 00:24:51,279
and by that time colonel a halt and a

587
00:24:55,990 --> 00:24:54,240
few others were out there uh already

588
00:24:58,710 --> 00:24:56,000
getting light off

589
00:25:00,789 --> 00:24:58,720
and everything trying to crank them up

590
00:25:02,549 --> 00:25:00,799
well see those white light off for

591
00:25:04,310 --> 00:25:02,559
gasoline power

592
00:25:06,230 --> 00:25:04,320
uh they were

593
00:25:08,870 --> 00:25:06,240
uh individual they didn't connect

594
00:25:09,830 --> 00:25:08,880
anything it's all battery operated

595
00:25:13,029 --> 00:25:09,840
and

596
00:25:15,269 --> 00:25:13,039
everybody was kind of in a state of

597
00:25:16,630 --> 00:25:15,279
anxiety or trying to find out what was

598
00:25:19,669 --> 00:25:16,640
going on

599
00:25:20,950 --> 00:25:19,679
and in the process the uh

600
00:25:23,430 --> 00:25:20,960
uh

601
00:25:25,269 --> 00:25:23,440
lighthouse were having difficulty

602
00:25:26,390 --> 00:25:25,279
getting started they just would not

603
00:25:28,789 --> 00:25:26,400
start

604
00:25:29,990 --> 00:25:28,799
and they already had difficulty with

605
00:25:33,029 --> 00:25:30,000
them but they

606
00:25:35,190 --> 00:25:33,039
would not start so there was a lot of uh

607
00:25:37,590 --> 00:25:35,200
i'd say disparity

608
00:25:39,590 --> 00:25:37,600
uh among everybody trying to get it

609
00:25:41,990 --> 00:25:39,600
straightened out

610
00:25:44,070 --> 00:25:42,000
and you know and finally they got the

611
00:25:45,590 --> 00:25:44,080
light off going so they could light up

612
00:25:47,830 --> 00:25:45,600
the area

613
00:25:50,310 --> 00:25:47,840
but in the meantime while they were

614
00:25:51,430 --> 00:25:50,320
doing that i was over looking at the

615
00:25:55,190 --> 00:25:51,440
site

616
00:25:58,070 --> 00:25:55,200
and lieutenant name was my escort

617
00:25:59,909 --> 00:25:58,080
and it didn't happen the way hawk said

618
00:26:02,870 --> 00:25:59,919
it did it was

619
00:26:03,590 --> 00:26:02,880
uh the way it happened was that chrome

620
00:26:06,789 --> 00:26:03,600
uh

621
00:26:08,789 --> 00:26:06,799
lieutenant england was my escort and he

622
00:26:11,269 --> 00:26:08,799
was being carried around carrying me

623
00:26:12,149 --> 00:26:11,279
around probably the commander

624
00:26:14,630 --> 00:26:12,159
so

625
00:26:17,190 --> 00:26:14,640
when we got there

626
00:26:19,190 --> 00:26:17,200
checked it out i started looking at the

627
00:26:21,269 --> 00:26:19,200
holes from the ground where the you know

628
00:26:23,909 --> 00:26:21,279
where the pads stepped down

629
00:26:26,230 --> 00:26:23,919
and they were all the same so i was i

630
00:26:28,549 --> 00:26:26,240
took a fight during reading then i went

631
00:26:31,350 --> 00:26:28,559
from the background reading

632
00:26:32,630 --> 00:26:31,360
to see what it was and compare that with

633
00:26:36,310 --> 00:26:32,640
the spike

634
00:26:40,710 --> 00:26:37,110
pad

635
00:26:43,909 --> 00:26:40,720
uh location but it sat down

636
00:26:47,110 --> 00:26:43,919
it blazed a little bit not much but it

637
00:26:49,750 --> 00:26:47,120
did uh raise some radiation

638
00:26:52,630 --> 00:26:49,760
and that was going to gamma

639
00:26:55,110 --> 00:26:52,640
and i couldn't find any camera lane you

640
00:26:56,870 --> 00:26:55,120
know not enough to be a big uh

641
00:26:57,830 --> 00:26:56,880
significant

642
00:27:00,070 --> 00:26:57,840
and

643
00:27:02,549 --> 00:27:00,080
as we kept looking i went all around

644
00:27:04,870 --> 00:27:02,559
some of the other sites and was checking

645
00:27:07,269 --> 00:27:04,880
checking it out and i think it was kind

646
00:27:08,870 --> 00:27:07,279
kong hall that could come about looking

647
00:27:11,909 --> 00:27:08,880
at trees

648
00:27:14,230 --> 00:27:11,919
and uh we got up and looked at uh boo

649
00:27:16,230 --> 00:27:14,240
from where i was up the street but the

650
00:27:18,070 --> 00:27:16,240
problem was

651
00:27:21,029 --> 00:27:18,080
it was so cold

652
00:27:22,870 --> 00:27:21,039
and batteries do not last long in the

653
00:27:25,269 --> 00:27:22,880
cold weather anyway

654
00:27:28,149 --> 00:27:25,279
and these batteries are already probably

655
00:27:29,350 --> 00:27:28,159
25 30 years old so it was an old

656
00:27:31,590 --> 00:27:29,360
instrument

657
00:27:33,269 --> 00:27:31,600
but we used it because that's all we had

658
00:27:35,909 --> 00:27:33,279
at the time

659
00:27:38,230 --> 00:27:35,919
and that was what we called it i called

660
00:27:40,630 --> 00:27:38,240
we called them radiation but they were

661
00:27:41,590 --> 00:27:40,640
got their counters in the fence

662
00:27:45,029 --> 00:27:41,600
and

663
00:27:46,470 --> 00:27:45,039
anyway i ever suggested i'd go to beta

664
00:27:49,750 --> 00:27:46,480
and try that

665
00:27:51,269 --> 00:27:49,760
and when i went to beta it blew up and

666
00:27:54,070 --> 00:27:51,279
it went from

667
00:27:56,070 --> 00:27:54,080
the first bill that was the lowest to

668
00:27:59,350 --> 00:27:56,080
above 0.5

669
00:28:00,789 --> 00:27:59,360
and on the 4.5 scale it went all the way

670
00:28:02,549 --> 00:28:00,799
and picked out

671
00:28:07,190 --> 00:28:02,559
so i went to the

672
00:28:08,549 --> 00:28:07,200
next level of five like five uh

673
00:28:09,669 --> 00:28:08,559
uh

674
00:28:11,269 --> 00:28:09,679
lincoln

675
00:28:13,830 --> 00:28:11,279
and as i

676
00:28:16,470 --> 00:28:13,840
thought watch that it started kicking in

677
00:28:20,149 --> 00:28:16,480
and it was clipping big time

678
00:28:22,789 --> 00:28:20,159
and it was like uh kind of like a

679
00:28:24,389 --> 00:28:22,799
clicker that was you know just running

680
00:28:27,669 --> 00:28:24,399
running crazy

681
00:28:30,310 --> 00:28:27,679
and so we got on got up to around seven

682
00:28:31,350 --> 00:28:30,320
i guess around seven rankin

683
00:28:33,590 --> 00:28:31,360
and

684
00:28:36,230 --> 00:28:33,600
by that time it was already getting

685
00:28:38,630 --> 00:28:36,240
stronger in beta radiation

686
00:28:41,909 --> 00:28:38,640
now let me make a comment on the

687
00:28:47,830 --> 00:28:44,789
beta radiation or we'll go for mouth

688
00:28:50,149 --> 00:28:47,840
you've got alpha beta uh gamma

689
00:28:52,389 --> 00:28:50,159
gamma is like an x-ray

690
00:28:53,190 --> 00:28:52,399
so that was out that was no that wasn't

691
00:28:55,750 --> 00:28:53,200
there

692
00:28:58,950 --> 00:28:55,760
well we went to the

693
00:29:00,470 --> 00:28:58,960
alpha radiation which is only

694
00:29:02,389 --> 00:29:00,480
uh

695
00:29:04,470 --> 00:29:02,399
reach out a few inches

696
00:29:06,789 --> 00:29:04,480
and the only way that can hurt you is if

697
00:29:09,190 --> 00:29:06,799
you inhale it or

698
00:29:11,350 --> 00:29:09,200
if it gets on the burn mark let's say

699
00:29:14,789 --> 00:29:11,360
for example you got to cut on your your

700
00:29:16,870 --> 00:29:14,799
hand and you get it in there it'll burn

701
00:29:19,190 --> 00:29:16,880
well then i went to vader and when i

702
00:29:22,549 --> 00:29:19,200
went to veda that was where it was

703
00:29:24,389 --> 00:29:22,559
kicking in all the time and so vader

704
00:29:26,389 --> 00:29:24,399
will kick out maybe

705
00:29:30,470 --> 00:29:26,399
five or six feet

706
00:29:33,510 --> 00:29:30,480
and it is more dangerous only when you

707
00:29:35,750 --> 00:29:33,520
inhale it again or get it on your skin

708
00:29:37,510 --> 00:29:35,760
with a burn mark or a cut mark or

709
00:29:40,789 --> 00:29:37,520
something like that

710
00:29:42,230 --> 00:29:40,799
and i've heard that uh

711
00:29:46,230 --> 00:29:42,240
uh

712
00:29:47,669 --> 00:29:46,240
girls

713
00:29:49,590 --> 00:29:47,679
uh

714
00:29:51,590 --> 00:29:49,600
inhaled it now he was going around

715
00:29:54,789 --> 00:29:51,600
saying that he had all these medical

716
00:29:57,430 --> 00:29:54,799
problems i personally do not think that

717
00:29:58,630 --> 00:29:57,440
was the case unless he got up to the

718
00:30:03,990 --> 00:29:58,640
tree and

719
00:30:07,110 --> 00:30:04,000
breathed in you know kept inhaling it

720
00:30:09,669 --> 00:30:07,120
then yes it would it would hurt him but

721
00:30:11,029 --> 00:30:09,679
otherwise i didn't have any effect that

722
00:30:13,190 --> 00:30:11,039
i know of

723
00:30:14,789 --> 00:30:13,200
and no one else seemed to have any

724
00:30:15,669 --> 00:30:14,799
problems either

725
00:30:19,269 --> 00:30:15,679
so

726
00:30:21,590 --> 00:30:19,279
that's the story that it got out

727
00:30:23,830 --> 00:30:21,600
but that's just the way yet

728
00:30:26,710 --> 00:30:23,840
you know and found out what was going on

729
00:30:28,149 --> 00:30:26,720
then we searched around and did our

730
00:30:29,909 --> 00:30:28,159
research and

731
00:30:31,750 --> 00:30:29,919
across the field

732
00:30:33,269 --> 00:30:31,760
uh over there by what was called the

733
00:30:35,830 --> 00:30:33,279
farmer's field

734
00:30:37,590 --> 00:30:35,840
there was a the building over there and

735
00:30:39,669 --> 00:30:37,600
it looked like

736
00:30:43,350 --> 00:30:39,679
something was on the ground

737
00:30:44,549 --> 00:30:43,360
and it looked like uh as i called it uh

738
00:30:47,350 --> 00:30:44,559
like a

739
00:30:50,630 --> 00:30:47,360
boiling pot with uh

740
00:30:53,110 --> 00:30:50,640
liquid that was liquefied steel

741
00:30:55,750 --> 00:30:53,120
that was melted and burning and popping

742
00:30:59,830 --> 00:30:55,760
off and it looked like sparks might be

743
00:31:02,149 --> 00:30:59,840
coming from the you know from the vessel

744
00:31:03,350 --> 00:31:02,159
and as we watched it

745
00:31:05,029 --> 00:31:03,360
it would

746
00:31:07,269 --> 00:31:05,039
appear to get

747
00:31:10,549 --> 00:31:07,279
warmer and colder and warmer and colder

748
00:31:11,830 --> 00:31:10,559
i was like a blinking uh

749
00:31:14,470 --> 00:31:11,840
area

750
00:31:17,590 --> 00:31:14,480
so as it blinked we

751
00:31:20,789 --> 00:31:17,600
uh currently our home made

752
00:31:22,950 --> 00:31:20,799
decision for us to go over the fence and

753
00:31:28,630 --> 00:31:22,960
see what we could find

754
00:31:31,590 --> 00:31:28,640
as we started over that fence of course

755
00:31:33,909 --> 00:31:31,600
then it got brighter and it disappeared

756
00:31:36,389 --> 00:31:33,919
and we couldn't find it

757
00:31:39,430 --> 00:31:36,399
and i kept looking up and well we were

758
00:31:40,870 --> 00:31:39,440
all looking up and i saw three

759
00:31:44,950 --> 00:31:40,880
uh

760
00:31:47,430 --> 00:31:44,960
will

761
00:31:50,149 --> 00:31:47,440
same thing from that pod in other words

762
00:31:51,750 --> 00:31:50,159
you got the three pods here i see the

763
00:31:54,549 --> 00:31:51,760
three discs and i

764
00:31:57,190 --> 00:31:54,559
connected them together in my mind

765
00:31:59,590 --> 00:31:57,200
as we watched them one was more

766
00:32:02,070 --> 00:31:59,600
independent of the other two

767
00:32:04,870 --> 00:32:02,080
and if we called it then we called it

768
00:32:05,990 --> 00:32:04,880
the lead vessel for lack of anything

769
00:32:09,269 --> 00:32:06,000
else

770
00:32:10,950 --> 00:32:09,279
and the crazy thing was

771
00:32:13,029 --> 00:32:10,960
and i said i told

772
00:32:15,029 --> 00:32:13,039
it was so cold out there but i've laid

773
00:32:17,110 --> 00:32:15,039
down on the ground i told current hearts

774
00:32:19,909 --> 00:32:17,120
i was gonna lay down on the ground

775
00:32:21,430 --> 00:32:19,919
on my back with my elbow to the ground

776
00:32:23,110 --> 00:32:21,440
and my camera

777
00:32:26,470 --> 00:32:23,120
laid in my eye

778
00:32:28,630 --> 00:32:26,480
so that i could uh hold steady and see

779
00:32:31,509 --> 00:32:28,640
if they were moving because at night

780
00:32:34,549 --> 00:32:31,519
your eyes are going to play tricks on it

781
00:32:37,029 --> 00:32:34,559
so i laid down on my back briefly

782
00:32:37,830 --> 00:32:37,039
and looked up what i saw

783
00:32:39,669 --> 00:32:37,840
and

784
00:32:42,549 --> 00:32:39,679
yes they were moving

785
00:32:44,549 --> 00:32:42,559
and the one in the front was moving more

786
00:32:48,630 --> 00:32:44,559
so than the rest of them

787
00:32:50,070 --> 00:32:48,640
and the quake it would blink like it was

788
00:32:51,830 --> 00:32:50,080
disappeared

789
00:32:53,990 --> 00:32:51,840
and then what was happening is it would

790
00:32:55,750 --> 00:32:54,000
disappear it would be on the other brace

791
00:32:57,990 --> 00:32:55,760
to be on bent water

792
00:33:01,110 --> 00:32:58,000
and what they call out on the radio and

793
00:33:03,029 --> 00:33:01,120
then go crazy and then it disappears man

794
00:33:04,870 --> 00:33:03,039
beat back on woodbridge

795
00:33:07,029 --> 00:33:04,880
and that was going back and forth

796
00:33:09,190 --> 00:33:07,039
throughout the whole time

797
00:33:13,190 --> 00:33:09,200
and the reason we had the

798
00:33:14,070 --> 00:33:13,200
difficulty on the radio was the twofold

799
00:33:16,630 --> 00:33:14,080
one

800
00:33:19,669 --> 00:33:16,640
everything had to be classified

801
00:33:20,870 --> 00:33:19,679
number two the radios were not working

802
00:33:22,870 --> 00:33:20,880
properly

803
00:33:25,110 --> 00:33:22,880
and they had three different channels

804
00:33:27,029 --> 00:33:25,120
and they had to go from the clan net to

805
00:33:28,389 --> 00:33:27,039
the security police net and the fire

806
00:33:29,830 --> 00:33:28,399
dance

807
00:33:31,590 --> 00:33:29,840
i guess over

808
00:33:34,789 --> 00:33:31,600
uh

809
00:33:37,350 --> 00:33:34,799
not the finance but the command post

810
00:33:39,430 --> 00:33:37,360
so those three radios

811
00:33:40,789 --> 00:33:39,440
uh channels were being used and there

812
00:33:42,549 --> 00:33:40,799
were a relay

813
00:33:45,350 --> 00:33:42,559
one would call the other one the other

814
00:33:47,750 --> 00:33:45,360
one called the next one but so they got

815
00:33:49,269 --> 00:33:47,760
everything you know recorded

816
00:33:52,470 --> 00:33:49,279
and that was the way everything was

817
00:33:53,350 --> 00:33:52,480
going on and it was hectic for a while

818
00:33:56,149 --> 00:33:53,360
but

819
00:33:58,389 --> 00:33:56,159
back to the the uh

820
00:34:01,110 --> 00:33:58,399
uh aerial

821
00:34:03,029 --> 00:34:01,120
hog fair chronogram hall

822
00:34:05,909 --> 00:34:03,039
has been going around saying that they

823
00:34:09,030 --> 00:34:05,919
were down on the ground that's not true

824
00:34:10,950 --> 00:34:09,040
there was only one light that came down

825
00:34:12,389 --> 00:34:10,960
from the vessel and it was coming down

826
00:34:15,190 --> 00:34:12,399
straight down

827
00:34:17,190 --> 00:34:15,200
and what we now know as a

828
00:34:20,069 --> 00:34:17,200
uh laser thing

829
00:34:22,149 --> 00:34:20,079
is what came down there it came down one

830
00:34:24,389 --> 00:34:22,159
down in one area

831
00:34:26,950 --> 00:34:24,399
and it was straight down it was not

832
00:34:29,190 --> 00:34:26,960
doing what we could i could see anything

833
00:34:31,909 --> 00:34:29,200
that looked like a grid surge

834
00:34:35,510 --> 00:34:31,919
i could not see anything coming down to

835
00:34:38,790 --> 00:34:35,520
our feet as he added on to later

836
00:34:42,069 --> 00:34:38,800
the original tape that colonel hall had

837
00:34:44,389 --> 00:34:42,079
was only good for about 15 minutes

838
00:34:47,030 --> 00:34:44,399
he used that tape to call many tape

839
00:34:49,589 --> 00:34:47,040
recoil to go around on the base

840
00:34:51,270 --> 00:34:49,599
uh he would record things so that he

841
00:34:52,550 --> 00:34:51,280
could turn it over to the secretary and

842
00:34:55,349 --> 00:34:52,560
let her

843
00:34:57,109 --> 00:34:55,359
uh type out you know what the events of

844
00:34:59,510 --> 00:34:57,119
the day or whatever

845
00:35:00,950 --> 00:34:59,520
so he didn't know how much tape he had

846
00:35:03,430 --> 00:35:00,960
left on there

847
00:35:04,950 --> 00:35:03,440
so he would start it and say something

848
00:35:07,030 --> 00:35:04,960
and turn it off

849
00:35:08,550 --> 00:35:07,040
turn it back on turn it off turn it back

850
00:35:09,670 --> 00:35:08,560
on turn it off

851
00:35:12,230 --> 00:35:09,680
so

852
00:35:13,589 --> 00:35:12,240
how that turned from a

853
00:35:17,270 --> 00:35:13,599
uh

854
00:35:19,270 --> 00:35:17,280
maybe a 10 or 12 minute tape into a 26

855
00:35:22,230 --> 00:35:19,280
minute tape or later

856
00:35:24,550 --> 00:35:22,240
is to be heard i don't know

857
00:35:25,910 --> 00:35:24,560
but it was a lot of stuff had it on that

858
00:35:26,950 --> 00:35:25,920
was not

859
00:35:28,150 --> 00:35:26,960
and

860
00:35:31,030 --> 00:35:28,160
that's where

861
00:35:33,589 --> 00:35:31,040
the problem comes up you know you hear

862
00:35:36,230 --> 00:35:33,599
too many things about too many people

863
00:35:39,349 --> 00:35:36,240
wanting too many things they all saw

864
00:35:41,750 --> 00:35:39,359
everything and nobody saw anything

865
00:35:42,710 --> 00:35:41,760
and you know that's what i always called

866
00:35:45,670 --> 00:35:42,720
it

867
00:35:47,349 --> 00:35:45,680
but you know that that's the problem we

868
00:35:51,990 --> 00:35:47,359
have is a lot of

869
00:35:55,670 --> 00:35:52,000
infamous information that that distorts

870
00:35:59,030 --> 00:35:55,680
the real truth about what went on

871
00:36:01,910 --> 00:35:59,040
hmm well uh the story is certainly

872
00:36:03,670 --> 00:36:01,920
spectacular enough uh a couple things

873
00:36:07,349 --> 00:36:03,680
since you just mentioned that the tape

874
00:36:09,030 --> 00:36:07,359
why don't i uh address that uh

875
00:36:10,310 --> 00:36:09,040
i'm just trying to understand because

876
00:36:12,069 --> 00:36:10,320
the tape

877
00:36:14,790 --> 00:36:12,079
was

878
00:36:15,990 --> 00:36:14,800
supposedly released without his

879
00:36:18,630 --> 00:36:16,000
permission

880
00:36:21,430 --> 00:36:18,640
and so that makes me wonder why it would

881
00:36:23,349 --> 00:36:21,440
be added onto if he wasn't

882
00:36:24,630 --> 00:36:23,359
you know planning on that ever to be

883
00:36:27,589 --> 00:36:24,640
released

884
00:36:29,750 --> 00:36:27,599
what do you think about that

885
00:36:32,150 --> 00:36:29,760
well i don't believe that

886
00:36:35,510 --> 00:36:32,160
i mean krung hart was

887
00:36:36,470 --> 00:36:35,520
yeah my my knowledge for tong hall back

888
00:36:41,030 --> 00:36:36,480
then

889
00:36:43,190 --> 00:36:41,040
was that he was he was very uh

890
00:36:45,829 --> 00:36:43,200
to try to thank the word for

891
00:36:48,069 --> 00:36:45,839
he was very interesting

892
00:36:49,589 --> 00:36:48,079
and he was always looking for a new

893
00:36:52,870 --> 00:36:49,599
adventure

894
00:36:55,829 --> 00:36:52,880
and he had i called him i had a little

895
00:36:58,710 --> 00:36:55,839
nickname for him called him mark one

896
00:37:01,510 --> 00:36:58,720
and reason i called mark warner because

897
00:37:03,670 --> 00:37:01,520
he was always ahead of everything he was

898
00:37:05,750 --> 00:37:03,680
you know he wanted to get out and if he

899
00:37:09,349 --> 00:37:05,760
saw something that was interested he was

900
00:37:11,430 --> 00:37:09,359
ready to go explore it and uh

901
00:37:12,310 --> 00:37:11,440
we all was kidding about it

902
00:37:14,230 --> 00:37:12,320
but

903
00:37:16,710 --> 00:37:14,240
on that that day

904
00:37:19,349 --> 00:37:16,720
that he took that

905
00:37:21,349 --> 00:37:19,359
if he did not want it released it would

906
00:37:23,270 --> 00:37:21,359
be called according to

907
00:37:25,829 --> 00:37:23,280
tom comrade

908
00:37:28,710 --> 00:37:25,839
and congress let me make a note on clone

909
00:37:31,430 --> 00:37:28,720
conrad he and i are still good friends

910
00:37:32,710 --> 00:37:31,440
we meet we talk at least once a month

911
00:37:35,270 --> 00:37:32,720
every month

912
00:37:38,230 --> 00:37:35,280
and we have been for some time now ever

913
00:37:40,950 --> 00:37:38,240
since i've met him with with burlesque

914
00:37:43,190 --> 00:37:40,960
and so i stay in touch with him and uh

915
00:37:45,670 --> 00:37:43,200
he stays in touch with me

916
00:37:48,150 --> 00:37:45,680
and you know and they he tells me

917
00:37:50,950 --> 00:37:48,160
lobster several times he said

918
00:37:52,950 --> 00:37:50,960
that he thanked me because he said i

919
00:37:55,430 --> 00:37:52,960
sure faced his butt

920
00:37:57,510 --> 00:37:55,440
over you know time and kept him out of

921
00:37:59,750 --> 00:37:57,520
trouble with some of the things

922
00:38:01,190 --> 00:37:59,760
and that was because i had a working

923
00:38:03,270 --> 00:38:01,200
relationship

924
00:38:05,990 --> 00:38:03,280
with conor pascoe

925
00:38:08,950 --> 00:38:06,000
i had a relationship with colonel

926
00:38:11,270 --> 00:38:08,960
williams had a colonel conrad

927
00:38:14,230 --> 00:38:11,280
coming home and i had all them you know

928
00:38:16,230 --> 00:38:14,240
the officers respected me because

929
00:38:19,270 --> 00:38:16,240
i treated them the same way i expect

930
00:38:20,790 --> 00:38:19,280
them to treat me and that was my marine

931
00:38:23,589 --> 00:38:20,800
corps training and

932
00:38:25,589 --> 00:38:23,599
as i say my first girl instructor was my

933
00:38:28,310 --> 00:38:25,599
grandmother

934
00:38:31,030 --> 00:38:28,320
so i learned how to respect people

935
00:38:33,750 --> 00:38:31,040
and so i never tried to back talk or

936
00:38:35,990 --> 00:38:33,760
anything you know with that

937
00:38:37,030 --> 00:38:36,000
and so you know through the through the

938
00:38:38,790 --> 00:38:37,040
years

939
00:38:40,790 --> 00:38:38,800
uh you know if you

940
00:38:43,030 --> 00:38:40,800
let me i've never said anything

941
00:38:45,589 --> 00:38:43,040
different but if you

942
00:38:48,069 --> 00:38:45,599
say one thing now and then you go back

943
00:38:50,950 --> 00:38:48,079
and you add a little bit more to it you

944
00:38:52,710 --> 00:38:50,960
may as well take a piece of

945
00:38:54,950 --> 00:38:52,720
if you take a

946
00:38:57,589 --> 00:38:54,960
water that's pure and then you drop

947
00:39:00,950 --> 00:38:57,599
something in there one time then you've

948
00:39:03,750 --> 00:39:00,960
already contaminated the water so from

949
00:39:06,550 --> 00:39:03,760
then on you no longer have the purity

950
00:39:09,670 --> 00:39:06,560
out of it and i try to keep the purity

951
00:39:12,550 --> 00:39:09,680
on to it and not add any more not

952
00:39:15,270 --> 00:39:12,560
contract anymore and if you ask me i'll

953
00:39:17,190 --> 00:39:15,280
tell you the truth and if not then

954
00:39:18,950 --> 00:39:17,200
i keep my mouth shut

955
00:39:20,150 --> 00:39:18,960
and i'm just not going to fantasize

956
00:39:22,150 --> 00:39:20,160
about it

957
00:39:25,670 --> 00:39:22,160
and if that's what

958
00:39:28,069 --> 00:39:25,680
i know that after all this happened i i

959
00:39:31,190 --> 00:39:28,079
was ordered to report back to coming

960
00:39:32,069 --> 00:39:31,200
comrade and i did and he asked me what i

961
00:39:34,550 --> 00:39:32,079
thought

962
00:39:35,750 --> 00:39:34,560
and i said well sir i'll tell you what i

963
00:39:37,349 --> 00:39:35,760
think

964
00:39:40,069 --> 00:39:37,359
i said i'm uh

965
00:39:41,270 --> 00:39:40,079
uh i'm the server and study of soviet

966
00:39:47,349 --> 00:39:41,280
union

967
00:39:49,109 --> 00:39:47,359
satellite that is about 400 miles two to

968
00:39:51,829 --> 00:39:49,119
four hundred miles up

969
00:39:53,910 --> 00:39:51,839
and i said that satellite can go down on

970
00:39:56,790 --> 00:39:53,920
a beach in california

971
00:39:59,430 --> 00:39:56,800
and beam down on a woman in a bay in a

972
00:40:01,589 --> 00:39:59,440
bikini and tell you what kind of

973
00:40:03,990 --> 00:40:01,599
material it is just about

974
00:40:04,950 --> 00:40:04,000
what kind of texture it's got what color

975
00:40:07,829 --> 00:40:04,960
it is

976
00:40:09,270 --> 00:40:07,839
and etcetera etcetera so i said if they

977
00:40:11,430 --> 00:40:09,280
can do that

978
00:40:12,870 --> 00:40:11,440
they have the capability of doing other

979
00:40:14,550 --> 00:40:12,880
things

980
00:40:17,430 --> 00:40:14,560
and i said that's

981
00:40:20,230 --> 00:40:17,440
what i see i said i can't prove that but

982
00:40:22,470 --> 00:40:20,240
i can i said i can i can

983
00:40:24,950 --> 00:40:22,480
see the reality of

984
00:40:26,870 --> 00:40:24,960
and he said well he said i'll tell you

985
00:40:28,870 --> 00:40:26,880
what he said will you keep an eye out

986
00:40:31,990 --> 00:40:28,880
for me and let me know if you see

987
00:40:34,630 --> 00:40:32,000
anything different i said yes so i will

988
00:40:36,550 --> 00:40:34,640
the next day or the day after i think it

989
00:40:38,390 --> 00:40:36,560
was a sunday

990
00:40:41,030 --> 00:40:38,400
uh we were out

991
00:40:43,910 --> 00:40:41,040
uh my wife was falling back from base

992
00:40:46,630 --> 00:40:43,920
and as we were going back to woodbridge

993
00:40:49,270 --> 00:40:46,640
i saw uh some lights

994
00:40:51,270 --> 00:40:49,280
up front of us from the road

995
00:40:52,390 --> 00:40:51,280
and the road at that time was pretty

996
00:40:55,270 --> 00:40:52,400
straight

997
00:40:56,870 --> 00:40:55,280
and as we started back there was a very

998
00:40:59,910 --> 00:40:56,880
high speed

999
00:41:01,750 --> 00:40:59,920
uh it looked more like a formation of

1000
00:41:03,190 --> 00:41:01,760
the jet engine you know the with the

1001
00:41:04,390 --> 00:41:03,200
wings on the

1002
00:41:07,430 --> 00:41:04,400
engines on

1003
00:41:08,790 --> 00:41:07,440
each wing but it came through there at a

1004
00:41:10,390 --> 00:41:08,800
super high

1005
00:41:12,069 --> 00:41:10,400
fast speed

1006
00:41:14,870 --> 00:41:12,079
with no sound

1007
00:41:16,870 --> 00:41:14,880
so i knew it was not anything that we

1008
00:41:19,430 --> 00:41:16,880
had that i knew of

1009
00:41:21,430 --> 00:41:19,440
and it flew over we never got a chance

1010
00:41:22,630 --> 00:41:21,440
to see it again it disappeared that was

1011
00:41:24,790 --> 00:41:22,640
this

1012
00:41:25,910 --> 00:41:24,800
and other than that that's been really

1013
00:41:27,030 --> 00:41:25,920
about it

1014
00:41:29,910 --> 00:41:27,040
uh

1015
00:41:31,910 --> 00:41:29,920
the experience that

1016
00:41:34,150 --> 00:41:31,920
everybody encountered

1017
00:41:35,910 --> 00:41:34,160
uh i always tell a little story about

1018
00:41:37,990 --> 00:41:35,920
the elephant you know

1019
00:41:40,150 --> 00:41:38,000
you got six blind men that look at the

1020
00:41:41,670 --> 00:41:40,160
elephant he's gonna see something

1021
00:41:43,109 --> 00:41:41,680
different

1022
00:41:46,069 --> 00:41:43,119
in their brain

1023
00:41:50,230 --> 00:41:46,079
and that's what happens out there

1024
00:41:52,870 --> 00:41:50,240
but the facts stand for themselves and

1025
00:41:54,950 --> 00:41:52,880
that i try to try to keep uh keep

1026
00:41:56,309 --> 00:41:54,960
straight with you

1027
00:41:58,150 --> 00:41:56,319
right um

1028
00:42:00,950 --> 00:41:58,160
i understand that uh

1029
00:42:02,950 --> 00:42:00,960
when it comes to your thoughts

1030
00:42:04,630 --> 00:42:02,960
do you still stand by that thought that

1031
00:42:06,950 --> 00:42:04,640
you think it might have been a foreign

1032
00:42:09,430 --> 00:42:06,960
technology even though there were so

1033
00:42:10,390 --> 00:42:09,440
many other things witnessed uh for

1034
00:42:12,470 --> 00:42:10,400
instance

1035
00:42:13,750 --> 00:42:12,480
uh you know the the craft i know you

1036
00:42:16,069 --> 00:42:13,760
didn't see the crap but you saw the

1037
00:42:17,829 --> 00:42:16,079
impressions on the ground

1038
00:42:20,710 --> 00:42:17,839
so is that still your thoughts that it

1039
00:42:22,950 --> 00:42:20,720
could have been technology and if so uh

1040
00:42:26,309 --> 00:42:22,960
why haven't we seen it

1041
00:42:29,589 --> 00:42:26,319
since by our adversaries

1042
00:42:31,829 --> 00:42:29,599
okay let me say this

1043
00:42:34,390 --> 00:42:31,839
the

1044
00:42:37,589 --> 00:42:34,400
ufo phenomenon

1045
00:42:40,470 --> 00:42:37,599
has been carried for the years you know

1046
00:42:41,990 --> 00:42:40,480
many many many years and you know

1047
00:42:45,670 --> 00:42:42,000
we hear about

1048
00:42:46,510 --> 00:42:45,680
the stories of you know the ancient uh

1049
00:42:49,510 --> 00:42:46,520
uh

1050
00:42:50,750 --> 00:42:49,520
civilizations etc etc

1051
00:42:52,950 --> 00:42:50,760
but

1052
00:42:55,829 --> 00:42:52,960
1947 when the

1053
00:42:58,390 --> 00:42:55,839
event at roswell happened

1054
00:43:00,150 --> 00:42:58,400
of course it was covered up

1055
00:43:01,910 --> 00:43:00,160
people started talking about seeing

1056
00:43:04,710 --> 00:43:01,920
flying saucers

1057
00:43:07,430 --> 00:43:04,720
and what happened the u.s air force

1058
00:43:09,990 --> 00:43:07,440
developed a flying saucer

1059
00:43:12,950 --> 00:43:10,000
that was actually able to take off the

1060
00:43:13,990 --> 00:43:12,960
ground and was able to

1061
00:43:16,710 --> 00:43:14,000
hover

1062
00:43:19,670 --> 00:43:16,720
for a little while and then that from

1063
00:43:22,630 --> 00:43:19,680
then on he never heard any more about it

1064
00:43:23,829 --> 00:43:22,640
and the air force was

1065
00:43:26,870 --> 00:43:23,839
always

1066
00:43:29,349 --> 00:43:26,880
trying to cover it up just as everybody

1067
00:43:30,309 --> 00:43:29,359
else was trying to open it up

1068
00:43:36,470 --> 00:43:30,319
and

1069
00:43:39,829 --> 00:43:36,480
etc has to be secret it has to be

1070
00:43:42,630 --> 00:43:39,839
classified because if you don't then you

1071
00:43:43,829 --> 00:43:42,640
know the old saying in world war ii was

1072
00:43:45,270 --> 00:43:43,839
this lift

1073
00:43:48,470 --> 00:43:45,280
think shift

1074
00:43:51,270 --> 00:43:48,480
and you know you might start passing out

1075
00:43:53,589 --> 00:43:51,280
secrets and they disappear on you and we

1076
00:43:54,870 --> 00:43:53,599
see that daily now

1077
00:43:56,710 --> 00:43:54,880
but

1078
00:43:58,390 --> 00:43:56,720
the idea

1079
00:44:02,150 --> 00:43:58,400
that i had

1080
00:44:03,349 --> 00:44:02,160
was that someone was uh some i i you

1081
00:44:05,270 --> 00:44:03,359
know

1082
00:44:07,829 --> 00:44:05,280
linda mulchin howe

1083
00:44:08,950 --> 00:44:07,839
tried to get me that same time frame

1084
00:44:11,829 --> 00:44:08,960
when uh

1085
00:44:13,750 --> 00:44:11,839
uh boys and her were together with me

1086
00:44:17,430 --> 00:44:13,760
she tried to get me to say it was an

1087
00:44:20,150 --> 00:44:17,440
extra cholesterol uh and i said ma'am i

1088
00:44:23,109 --> 00:44:20,160
don't even know what a terrestrial is so

1089
00:44:25,589 --> 00:44:23,119
how can i say that it's extra

1090
00:44:28,550 --> 00:44:25,599
and i said that because kept trying to

1091
00:44:31,589 --> 00:44:28,560
push me to make me say that it was an

1092
00:44:34,470 --> 00:44:31,599
extraordinary crowd i said i don't see

1093
00:44:37,109 --> 00:44:34,480
that i don't see it

1094
00:44:40,069 --> 00:44:37,119
and later over the years i thought well

1095
00:44:43,109 --> 00:44:40,079
let's see now somebody takes off from

1096
00:44:45,750 --> 00:44:43,119
mars and comes here comes to the state

1097
00:44:47,990 --> 00:44:45,760
and stops at mcdonald's for some place

1098
00:44:49,430 --> 00:44:48,000
and gets caught and get some sandwich

1099
00:44:51,349 --> 00:44:49,440
and goes back

1100
00:44:53,910 --> 00:44:51,359
i said that don't even make sense to

1101
00:44:54,790 --> 00:44:53,920
come from something to come here and

1102
00:44:56,470 --> 00:44:54,800
just

1103
00:44:58,790 --> 00:44:56,480
explore up

1104
00:45:01,589 --> 00:44:58,800
and there's no evidence

1105
00:45:05,270 --> 00:45:01,599
and i said yes but where is all of our

1106
00:45:08,390 --> 00:45:05,280
technology coming from and there's a

1107
00:45:13,109 --> 00:45:08,400
book out that i picked up at the one of

1108
00:45:14,069 --> 00:45:13,119
the old bookstores about uh area 51

1109
00:45:14,870 --> 00:45:14,079
and

1110
00:45:25,829 --> 00:45:14,880
the

1111
00:45:28,790 --> 00:45:25,839
uh techniques

1112
00:45:32,710 --> 00:45:28,800
and it all makes sense it makes sense to

1113
00:45:37,030 --> 00:45:32,720
me that yes i could very well be yet and

1114
00:45:42,589 --> 00:45:37,040
i think that over time

1115
00:45:47,109 --> 00:45:44,230
confessionalized

1116
00:45:49,990 --> 00:45:47,119
it's been pushed through well that was a

1117
00:45:52,150 --> 00:45:50,000
ufo is nothing more than an unidentified

1118
00:45:55,349 --> 00:45:52,160
flying object that can be a shoot flying

1119
00:45:57,990 --> 00:45:55,359
across the room it can be an airplane it

1120
00:46:00,150 --> 00:45:58,000
can be a ship if you can't identify it

1121
00:46:03,349 --> 00:46:00,160
then you've got my identified flying

1122
00:46:06,550 --> 00:46:03,359
object or not other than five objects

1123
00:46:09,030 --> 00:46:06,560
and my brain tells me and my sponsor

1124
00:46:11,030 --> 00:46:09,040
experiences over the last

1125
00:46:11,990 --> 00:46:11,040
50 or 60 years

1126
00:46:13,510 --> 00:46:12,000
says

1127
00:46:15,910 --> 00:46:13,520
that you know

1128
00:46:18,870 --> 00:46:15,920
there's rational for everything

1129
00:46:19,829 --> 00:46:18,880
and just because it looks like it could

1130
00:46:25,349 --> 00:46:19,839
be

1131
00:46:26,710 --> 00:46:25,359
and so i look at it from the technology

1132
00:46:29,430 --> 00:46:26,720
side and say

1133
00:46:32,470 --> 00:46:29,440
where are we today as a result of what

1134
00:46:35,190 --> 00:46:32,480
happened 40 50 years ago

1135
00:46:37,270 --> 00:46:35,200
and you know it all makes sense the

1136
00:46:40,190 --> 00:46:37,280
gyroscope

1137
00:46:43,990 --> 00:46:40,200
idea came about because of the way the

1138
00:46:46,550 --> 00:46:44,000
stabilization was uh spinning top that i

1139
00:46:48,390 --> 00:46:46,560
talked about comes around from the fact

1140
00:46:51,430 --> 00:46:48,400
that it was probably spinning to

1141
00:46:53,430 --> 00:46:51,440
stabilize it and the legs come down to

1142
00:46:55,349 --> 00:46:53,440
set it down on the ground

1143
00:46:56,390 --> 00:46:55,359
and what do we have today do we have

1144
00:46:58,309 --> 00:46:56,400
drones

1145
00:47:00,470 --> 00:46:58,319
that do the same thing

1146
00:47:03,430 --> 00:47:00,480
yes we do where do they come from where

1147
00:47:07,910 --> 00:47:03,440
the idea comes from whether some of the

1148
00:47:09,190 --> 00:47:07,920
airplanes like the sr-71 or the b1 or b2

1149
00:47:11,030 --> 00:47:09,200
or

1150
00:47:13,190 --> 00:47:11,040
now where did that come that kind of

1151
00:47:15,109 --> 00:47:13,200
technology come from

1152
00:47:16,950 --> 00:47:15,119
well it could have come from any kind of

1153
00:47:18,710 --> 00:47:16,960
source i don't know

1154
00:47:22,390 --> 00:47:18,720
but i do know

1155
00:47:25,030 --> 00:47:22,400
that you know my my experiences

1156
00:47:27,109 --> 00:47:25,040
i don't i don't associate it necessarily

1157
00:47:29,750 --> 00:47:27,119
with all of the the

1158
00:47:31,510 --> 00:47:29,760
i call it who's law that's not

1159
00:47:34,549 --> 00:47:31,520
a good word for it

1160
00:47:37,030 --> 00:47:34,559
but all of the ideas that come well

1161
00:47:40,390 --> 00:47:37,040
everybody sees something

1162
00:47:41,990 --> 00:47:40,400
and that's like i can't i can't picture

1163
00:47:45,910 --> 00:47:42,000
that myself

1164
00:47:48,470 --> 00:47:45,920
it's just not enough evidence to verify

1165
00:47:51,030 --> 00:47:48,480
anything different

1166
00:47:53,349 --> 00:47:51,040
well okay i i'm going to when we come

1167
00:47:55,750 --> 00:47:53,359
back i'm going to ask you

1168
00:47:56,549 --> 00:47:55,760
some more questions that i have ready to

1169
00:48:00,150 --> 00:47:56,559
go

1170
00:48:02,630 --> 00:48:00,160
um as far as what you saw i want to also

1171
00:48:05,349 --> 00:48:02,640
talk about what you think that

1172
00:48:08,309 --> 00:48:05,359
jim penniston mike peniston might have

1173
00:48:09,510 --> 00:48:08,319
walked up to uh just uh just thoughts

1174
00:48:10,950 --> 00:48:09,520
now right now i'm going to play a

1175
00:48:13,589 --> 00:48:10,960
three-minute clip so you can take a

1176
00:48:17,430 --> 00:48:13,599
quick break uh this clip is actually

1177
00:48:19,670 --> 00:48:17,440
with uh military personnel um shannon

1178
00:48:22,309 --> 00:48:19,680
and he's going to be talking about not

1179
00:48:24,069 --> 00:48:22,319
something he witnessed but uh he is

1180
00:48:27,430 --> 00:48:24,079
going to be talking about

1181
00:48:29,990 --> 00:48:27,440
uh the uh john f kennedy uss john f

1182
00:48:35,349 --> 00:48:30,000
kennedy incident and here it is

1183
00:48:39,190 --> 00:48:37,349
it brings me great pleasure

1184
00:48:40,710 --> 00:48:39,200
to speak to shannon this morning good

1185
00:48:43,270 --> 00:48:40,720
morning shannon we're having our coffee

1186
00:48:45,750 --> 00:48:43,280
together how about that

1187
00:48:47,910 --> 00:48:45,760
good morning willis good morning

1188
00:48:49,430 --> 00:48:47,920
so uh thank you for contacting me and

1189
00:48:51,910 --> 00:48:49,440
you made a beautiful artwork i'm gonna

1190
00:48:54,150 --> 00:48:51,920
show that artwork at some point um uh

1191
00:48:56,390 --> 00:48:54,160
that involved lou alizondo and i'm gonna

1192
00:48:59,510 --> 00:48:56,400
he's thrilled he's so excited to get it

1193
00:49:02,230 --> 00:48:59,520
um so i uh i will be showing that once i

1194
00:49:04,549 --> 00:49:02,240
get it um you're sending me a copy and i

1195
00:49:07,270 --> 00:49:04,559
really appreciate that but i'd like to

1196
00:49:10,150 --> 00:49:07,280
i'd like for you to talk about

1197
00:49:12,790 --> 00:49:10,160
the ufo the military ufo incident and

1198
00:49:13,750 --> 00:49:12,800
just go if you would into

1199
00:49:15,589 --> 00:49:13,760
uh

1200
00:49:18,549 --> 00:49:15,599
what you knew about it and first heard

1201
00:49:22,069 --> 00:49:18,559
about it uh so back in 1998 when i was

1202
00:49:23,670 --> 00:49:22,079
on board the uss john f kennedy i uh

1203
00:49:25,670 --> 00:49:23,680
i got i got

1204
00:49:27,589 --> 00:49:25,680
i heard something

1205
00:49:29,349 --> 00:49:27,599
and

1206
00:49:30,870 --> 00:49:29,359
it stuck with me but i'm not going to

1207
00:49:32,230 --> 00:49:30,880
tell you the story because i don't want

1208
00:49:32,950 --> 00:49:32,240
to tell it twice

1209
00:49:35,990 --> 00:49:32,960
so

1210
00:49:37,510 --> 00:49:36,000
i was on the john f kennedy from 1998 to

1211
00:49:39,349 --> 00:49:37,520
2001

1212
00:49:41,349 --> 00:49:39,359
um then i went

1213
00:49:43,270 --> 00:49:41,359
to a couple other commands and then i

1214
00:49:45,670 --> 00:49:43,280
was luckily

1215
00:49:47,430 --> 00:49:45,680
i got lucky and i was able to come back

1216
00:49:50,470 --> 00:49:47,440
to the john f kennedy

1217
00:49:52,549 --> 00:49:50,480
um in 2007 right up

1218
00:49:54,150 --> 00:49:52,559
until it's decommissioning

1219
00:49:57,190 --> 00:49:54,160
wow um

1220
00:49:59,430 --> 00:49:57,200
during that time i was the lpo

1221
00:50:02,470 --> 00:49:59,440
for security and we're talking probably

1222
00:50:03,990 --> 00:50:02,480
around 80 personnel i was in charge of a

1223
00:50:06,150 --> 00:50:04,000
security

1224
00:50:08,950 --> 00:50:06,160
and

1225
00:50:12,870 --> 00:50:08,960
the story that i heard both times

1226
00:50:14,390 --> 00:50:12,880
exactly was that in the early 70s the

1227
00:50:15,829 --> 00:50:14,400
john f kennedy

1228
00:50:18,390 --> 00:50:15,839
while doing

1229
00:50:20,950 --> 00:50:18,400
rough trade exercises um

1230
00:50:23,270 --> 00:50:20,960
in the caribbean off the coast of

1231
00:50:24,309 --> 00:50:23,280
like guantanamo bays where we have rough

1232
00:50:27,670 --> 00:50:24,319
tray

1233
00:50:29,910 --> 00:50:27,680
um a glowing spear was above

1234
00:50:33,670 --> 00:50:29,920
the flight deck of the ship

1235
00:50:36,309 --> 00:50:33,680
the the ship went into general quarters

1236
00:50:38,870 --> 00:50:37,349
what does that mean it went out

1237
00:50:41,109 --> 00:50:38,880
apparently what do we what does that

1238
00:50:43,510 --> 00:50:41,119
mean general quarters general quarters

1239
00:50:46,950 --> 00:50:43,520
is basically where everyone needs to be

1240
00:50:50,390 --> 00:50:46,960
in order to fight the ship against

1241
00:50:53,510 --> 00:50:50,400
um enemies yeah or it could be

1242
00:50:54,870 --> 00:50:53,520
we go into general quarters

1243
00:50:58,710 --> 00:50:54,880
um

1244
00:51:00,470 --> 00:50:58,720
for training or general quarters for

1245
00:51:02,069 --> 00:51:00,480
um let's see a fire

1246
00:51:03,510 --> 00:51:02,079
yeah you know we have a huge fire

1247
00:51:05,829 --> 00:51:03,520
everybody has to go

1248
00:51:07,750 --> 00:51:05,839
and fight the ship in order for

1249
00:51:11,030 --> 00:51:07,760
us to survive because we can't call

1250
00:51:12,150 --> 00:51:11,040
9-1-1 in the middle of the ocean yeah

1251
00:51:14,710 --> 00:51:12,160
yeah

1252
00:51:17,109 --> 00:51:14,720
so so what happened was uh

1253
00:51:20,950 --> 00:51:17,119
both times that i heard this

1254
00:51:23,829 --> 00:51:20,960
um there was a um a sailor a lookout

1255
00:51:26,470 --> 00:51:23,839
um who saw this fear

1256
00:51:27,270 --> 00:51:26,480
and apparently he freaked out and he had

1257
00:51:38,309 --> 00:51:27,280
to be

1258
00:51:40,549 --> 00:51:38,319
just like in a couple hours from

1259
00:51:43,670 --> 00:51:40,559
when this uh video

1260
00:51:47,589 --> 00:51:43,680
ends so you can watch he goes in to tell

1261
00:51:49,910 --> 00:51:47,599
more about it and actually he he saw in

1262
00:51:52,150 --> 00:51:49,920
on a video a first-hand witness talk

1263
00:51:54,870 --> 00:51:52,160
about the same exact thing but he was

1264
00:51:57,430 --> 00:51:54,880
not a witness i just he did um hear it

1265
00:51:58,710 --> 00:51:57,440
and the story never changed anyway uh

1266
00:52:01,190 --> 00:51:58,720
welcome back

1267
00:52:04,309 --> 00:52:01,200
um to you s

1268
00:52:07,829 --> 00:52:04,319
sergeant monroe neville's retired thank

1269
00:52:09,990 --> 00:52:07,839
you for being on the show today

1270
00:52:12,790 --> 00:52:10,000
can you hear me okay

1271
00:52:14,309 --> 00:52:12,800
yeah i got you i got you good uh so a

1272
00:52:15,750 --> 00:52:14,319
couple of questions come to mind first

1273
00:52:17,829 --> 00:52:15,760
of all going back

1274
00:52:20,150 --> 00:52:17,839
to where you mentioned

1275
00:52:22,790 --> 00:52:20,160
that above the impressions you didn't

1276
00:52:25,510 --> 00:52:22,800
see any broken branches i thought

1277
00:52:27,829 --> 00:52:25,520
i thought there was actually pictures

1278
00:52:29,750 --> 00:52:27,839
somewhere that i saw at one time and

1279
00:52:31,750 --> 00:52:29,760
other people talking about broken

1280
00:52:34,069 --> 00:52:31,760
branches did you not see any at all

1281
00:52:36,549 --> 00:52:34,079
anywhere

1282
00:52:39,430 --> 00:52:36,559
there may have been you know that again

1283
00:52:42,309 --> 00:52:39,440
that that was a uh

1284
00:52:43,990 --> 00:52:42,319
a statement that i had heard uh because

1285
00:52:46,950 --> 00:52:44,000
you know if you you walk through the

1286
00:52:48,150 --> 00:52:46,960
forest you can't always tell

1287
00:52:50,790 --> 00:52:48,160
uh

1288
00:52:52,630 --> 00:52:50,800
what is fresh fallen or

1289
00:52:53,990 --> 00:52:52,640
fallen previous

1290
00:52:57,109 --> 00:52:54,000
and

1291
00:52:59,030 --> 00:52:57,119
i heard uh two or three stories that

1292
00:53:01,109 --> 00:52:59,040
well what was happening that was

1293
00:53:02,150 --> 00:53:01,119
lieutenant england had been filling me

1294
00:53:06,630 --> 00:53:02,160
in

1295
00:53:08,950 --> 00:53:06,640
the house before we left

1296
00:53:11,109 --> 00:53:08,960
and he said that you know the forces

1297
00:53:12,630 --> 00:53:11,119
service checked the densitometer and

1298
00:53:16,230 --> 00:53:12,640
that was what he told me and then he

1299
00:53:18,710 --> 00:53:16,240
said the crazy thing was is that the

1300
00:53:20,950 --> 00:53:18,720
uh crab went up through the trees and

1301
00:53:23,670 --> 00:53:20,960
didn't knock any limbs down

1302
00:53:25,109 --> 00:53:23,680
so that's the only verification that i

1303
00:53:26,470 --> 00:53:25,119
have with that

1304
00:53:29,270 --> 00:53:26,480
the

1305
00:53:33,430 --> 00:53:29,280
i mean i would think that it would

1306
00:53:37,030 --> 00:53:33,440
uh but you know again uh that's fiercely

1307
00:53:38,150 --> 00:53:37,040
so i don't know uh honestly whether it

1308
00:53:39,990 --> 00:53:38,160
was

1309
00:53:42,870 --> 00:53:40,000
trees on the ground that fallen

1310
00:53:44,309 --> 00:53:42,880
previously or they were already there

1311
00:53:47,750 --> 00:53:44,319
or whatever

1312
00:53:49,990 --> 00:53:47,760
but it makes sense that it would anyway

1313
00:53:51,829 --> 00:53:50,000
and uh you know that they would be some

1314
00:53:52,790 --> 00:53:51,839
limb crown

1315
00:53:57,910 --> 00:53:52,800
uh

1316
00:54:00,069 --> 00:53:57,920
there were some on the ground so

1317
00:54:02,150 --> 00:54:00,079
they were there first so i would think

1318
00:54:05,589 --> 00:54:02,160
that if they said that that would be the

1319
00:54:08,150 --> 00:54:05,599
accurate uh accurate picture

1320
00:54:10,710 --> 00:54:08,160
all right and uh charles hull has been

1321
00:54:13,829 --> 00:54:10,720
on this show a few different times and

1322
00:54:15,430 --> 00:54:13,839
he has described seeing this thing well

1323
00:54:18,549 --> 00:54:15,440
it's sort of like what you said if you

1324
00:54:20,710 --> 00:54:18,559
know a little while back uh and the

1325
00:54:22,790 --> 00:54:20,720
eyeball thing he he says something

1326
00:54:24,710 --> 00:54:22,800
looked sort of like an eyeball and

1327
00:54:26,630 --> 00:54:24,720
looked like molten

1328
00:54:28,870 --> 00:54:26,640
like uh

1329
00:54:31,190 --> 00:54:28,880
iron or something was dripping from it

1330
00:54:33,750 --> 00:54:31,200
and sort of like bouncing through the

1331
00:54:36,309 --> 00:54:33,760
forest is that a different thing than

1332
00:54:38,630 --> 00:54:36,319
what you were describing

1333
00:54:41,990 --> 00:54:38,640
actually what i described is what he

1334
00:54:43,990 --> 00:54:42,000
later described uh i said i told him i

1335
00:54:47,030 --> 00:54:44,000
said it looked like a

1336
00:54:48,309 --> 00:54:47,040
melting pot out there you know it looked

1337
00:54:49,430 --> 00:54:48,319
like it had

1338
00:54:52,789 --> 00:54:49,440
uh

1339
00:54:56,150 --> 00:54:52,799
milk and field in it and it was hot and

1340
00:54:59,030 --> 00:54:56,160
bubbly and popping because

1341
00:55:01,829 --> 00:54:59,040
let me say this at nighttime

1342
00:55:03,670 --> 00:55:01,839
and you see heat out there

1343
00:55:06,230 --> 00:55:03,680
in the woods

1344
00:55:08,390 --> 00:55:06,240
yeah i was playing tricks on you and you

1345
00:55:11,190 --> 00:55:08,400
think they're moving and they may not be

1346
00:55:14,470 --> 00:55:11,200
moving or you know in other words like

1347
00:55:15,829 --> 00:55:14,480
uh from 200 yards out which i think it

1348
00:55:17,589 --> 00:55:15,839
was about

1349
00:55:19,829 --> 00:55:17,599
i'd say at least the length of a

1350
00:55:22,710 --> 00:55:19,839
football field and probably a little a

1351
00:55:24,390 --> 00:55:22,720
little bit further than that maybe 125

1352
00:55:26,470 --> 00:55:24,400
150 yards

1353
00:55:28,549 --> 00:55:26,480
is what it looked like from where we

1354
00:55:31,349 --> 00:55:28,559
were at the fence

1355
00:55:34,309 --> 00:55:31,359
and when we started over the fence

1356
00:55:37,190 --> 00:55:34,319
lieutenant hall uh and myself looking

1357
00:55:39,589 --> 00:55:37,200
come on myself and england

1358
00:55:41,829 --> 00:55:39,599
stepped over the fence and when we did

1359
00:55:43,589 --> 00:55:41,839
it started getting real bright and it

1360
00:55:44,549 --> 00:55:43,599
started pumping like it was getting

1361
00:55:45,589 --> 00:55:44,559
hotter

1362
00:55:48,150 --> 00:55:45,599
so

1363
00:55:50,390 --> 00:55:48,160
i think out of more shock than anything

1364
00:55:52,630 --> 00:55:50,400
else we all jumped back over the fence

1365
00:55:55,510 --> 00:55:52,640
and got on back the other side

1366
00:55:57,910 --> 00:55:55,520
and then all of a sudden it disappeared

1367
00:56:00,230 --> 00:55:57,920
and then when it disappeared it was

1368
00:56:02,789 --> 00:56:00,240
three objects up in the air

1369
00:56:04,710 --> 00:56:02,799
i all said it was five but i never saw

1370
00:56:05,829 --> 00:56:04,720
five i saw three

1371
00:56:07,430 --> 00:56:05,839
and

1372
00:56:10,390 --> 00:56:07,440
always been three

1373
00:56:13,030 --> 00:56:10,400
and they had one one two in the back and

1374
00:56:16,870 --> 00:56:13,040
they were kind of scary

1375
00:56:18,789 --> 00:56:16,880
and relatively close together and he

1376
00:56:20,950 --> 00:56:18,799
said that they were being founded for

1377
00:56:22,390 --> 00:56:20,960
one of us that would not be in front of

1378
00:56:24,309 --> 00:56:22,400
us never

1379
00:56:26,390 --> 00:56:24,319
and i was right there with it the whole

1380
00:56:29,430 --> 00:56:26,400
time so i know

1381
00:56:33,030 --> 00:56:29,440
and the only thing we saw come down was

1382
00:56:35,190 --> 00:56:33,040
one that was over and again

1383
00:56:36,710 --> 00:56:35,200
uh someone i believe it might have been

1384
00:56:39,670 --> 00:56:36,720
luke in england

1385
00:56:40,630 --> 00:56:39,680
that said it supposedly burned a hole in

1386
00:56:42,630 --> 00:56:40,640
the

1387
00:56:43,510 --> 00:56:42,640
weapon storage area

1388
00:56:45,589 --> 00:56:43,520
and

1389
00:56:47,270 --> 00:56:45,599
i don't think that was him or what but

1390
00:56:50,309 --> 00:56:47,280
that's what it was said

1391
00:56:52,309 --> 00:56:50,319
i did not witness that because from the

1392
00:56:53,270 --> 00:56:52,319
distance and the cold and

1393
00:56:56,549 --> 00:56:53,280
dark

1394
00:56:58,950 --> 00:56:56,559
i couldn't tell what was what out there

1395
00:57:00,630 --> 00:56:58,960
right so you know those again from

1396
00:57:03,349 --> 00:57:00,640
somebody else

1397
00:57:05,109 --> 00:57:03,359
right yeah i had heard accounts of that

1398
00:57:07,190 --> 00:57:05,119
there were multiple beams

1399
00:57:09,510 --> 00:57:07,200
going down on the weapon storage area

1400
00:57:11,670 --> 00:57:09,520
never heard before about the whole burn

1401
00:57:12,470 --> 00:57:11,680
that's that's interesting

1402
00:57:16,630 --> 00:57:12,480
and

1403
00:57:17,990 --> 00:57:16,640
not come down

1404
00:57:22,630 --> 00:57:18,000
toward

1405
00:57:26,950 --> 00:57:22,640
halt mentions it

1406
00:57:28,950 --> 00:57:26,960
no sir it did not i repeated say it did

1407
00:57:30,390 --> 00:57:28,960
not

1408
00:57:32,150 --> 00:57:30,400
okay and

1409
00:57:34,950 --> 00:57:32,160
i would have

1410
00:57:37,510 --> 00:57:34,960
go ahead because i was i was observing

1411
00:57:40,470 --> 00:57:37,520
everything that was going on out there i

1412
00:57:42,150 --> 00:57:40,480
was listening to security police i was

1413
00:57:44,309 --> 00:57:42,160
listening to the colonel

1414
00:57:46,390 --> 00:57:44,319
i was listening to england i was

1415
00:57:49,030 --> 00:57:46,400
listening to all of them

1416
00:57:51,270 --> 00:57:49,040
and i was putting everything together

1417
00:57:53,589 --> 00:57:51,280
putting my mind to it see what i could

1418
00:57:55,670 --> 00:57:53,599
find out so i could make my report back

1419
00:57:58,309 --> 00:57:55,680
to the commander

1420
00:58:02,470 --> 00:58:00,710
the beam itself

1421
00:58:05,430 --> 00:58:02,480
was relatively

1422
00:58:07,829 --> 00:58:05,440
thin you could not hardly

1423
00:58:10,309 --> 00:58:07,839
see it you had to look uh you had the

1424
00:58:13,190 --> 00:58:10,319
string to look at the beam

1425
00:58:15,990 --> 00:58:13,200
and it was like

1426
00:58:17,270 --> 00:58:16,000
what we now would call the laser

1427
00:58:19,349 --> 00:58:17,280
like beam

1428
00:58:21,750 --> 00:58:19,359
where it came straight down

1429
00:58:24,789 --> 00:58:21,760
and i made the comment contaminated i

1430
00:58:26,390 --> 00:58:24,799
mean colonel doctor i said it's not a

1431
00:58:28,309 --> 00:58:26,400
regular light

1432
00:58:30,470 --> 00:58:28,319
we didn't know what it sold up in the

1433
00:58:32,710 --> 00:58:30,480
laser beam was back then

1434
00:58:35,670 --> 00:58:32,720
and i said it looks like i said it's a

1435
00:58:38,390 --> 00:58:35,680
direct light coming down from there and

1436
00:58:39,670 --> 00:58:38,400
it's not spreading like a normal light

1437
00:58:42,630 --> 00:58:39,680
bulb or

1438
00:58:45,589 --> 00:58:42,640
uh something like that so i said i don't

1439
00:58:47,349 --> 00:58:45,599
know what that is but it's very faint

1440
00:58:49,829 --> 00:58:47,359
and it came down

1441
00:58:51,270 --> 00:58:49,839
and i think it when

1442
00:58:53,589 --> 00:58:51,280
object moved

1443
00:58:54,309 --> 00:58:53,599
it may have taken that one beam with it

1444
00:58:55,829 --> 00:58:54,319
but

1445
00:58:57,430 --> 00:58:55,839
it would be kind of like if you were

1446
00:58:58,470 --> 00:58:57,440
looking down through

1447
00:58:59,670 --> 00:58:58,480
a

1448
00:59:02,230 --> 00:58:59,680
funnel

1449
00:59:04,549 --> 00:59:02,240
and you were looking down at the ground

1450
00:59:06,789 --> 00:59:04,559
that you might be trying to keep your

1451
00:59:08,470 --> 00:59:06,799
eye on whatever you could see down there

1452
00:59:10,150 --> 00:59:08,480
on the ground

1453
00:59:12,309 --> 00:59:10,160
and i don't know

1454
00:59:14,950 --> 00:59:12,319
uh what they were looking at i don't

1455
00:59:16,829 --> 00:59:14,960
even i couldn't verify whether it was

1456
00:59:20,309 --> 00:59:16,839
weapon storage area

1457
00:59:22,309 --> 00:59:20,319
or some other area our

1458
00:59:23,349 --> 00:59:22,319
perspective was

1459
00:59:26,470 --> 00:59:23,359
why

1460
00:59:29,430 --> 00:59:26,480
because if that was

1461
00:59:31,670 --> 00:59:29,440
the case over the years that

1462
00:59:32,789 --> 00:59:31,680
several people had made the comment

1463
00:59:33,910 --> 00:59:32,799
about

1464
00:59:37,349 --> 00:59:33,920
uh

1465
00:59:39,349 --> 00:59:37,359
you know speed and nuclear and all this

1466
00:59:42,069 --> 00:59:39,359
and they said why would you

1467
00:59:44,870 --> 00:59:42,079
be looking in nuclear bunker well

1468
00:59:47,430 --> 00:59:44,880
uh my knowledge says that

1469
00:59:50,630 --> 00:59:47,440
might be looking for nuclear fuel

1470
00:59:51,670 --> 00:59:50,640
suppose it was something from a long

1471
00:59:54,789 --> 00:59:51,680
distance

1472
00:59:56,789 --> 00:59:54,799
and they put checking out the fuel or

1473
00:59:59,510 --> 00:59:56,799
could they be checking out the base to

1474
01:00:01,589 --> 00:59:59,520
see if there was a

1475
01:00:03,990 --> 01:00:01,599
weapon storage there had anything that

1476
01:00:05,109 --> 01:00:04,000
uh they might be interested in getting

1477
01:00:08,150 --> 01:00:05,119
such as

1478
01:00:11,270 --> 01:00:08,160
soviet union or china or

1479
01:00:13,430 --> 01:00:11,280
uh anywhere you know in the uk

1480
01:00:15,589 --> 01:00:13,440
that were checking the bases out to see

1481
01:00:16,390 --> 01:00:15,599
if they could find anything if they

1482
01:00:18,150 --> 01:00:16,400
could

1483
01:00:19,910 --> 01:00:18,160
maybe they had instruments to check to

1484
01:00:22,470 --> 01:00:19,920
see if they could test it and see if

1485
01:00:24,309 --> 01:00:22,480
they were they could detect

1486
01:00:25,670 --> 01:00:24,319
there's all kind of theories that come

1487
01:00:26,789 --> 01:00:25,680
out with that

1488
01:00:30,630 --> 01:00:26,799
and

1489
01:00:33,030 --> 01:00:30,640
my my background over the years

1490
01:00:34,870 --> 01:00:33,040
i was in charge i was

1491
01:00:36,710 --> 01:00:34,880
the chairman of the local emergency

1492
01:00:40,710 --> 01:00:36,720
management committee

1493
01:00:43,430 --> 01:00:40,720
uh here in abilene texas for two years

1494
01:00:46,069 --> 01:00:43,440
i've been involved with it for several

1495
01:00:47,750 --> 01:00:46,079
and then i was a vice chair for about

1496
01:00:48,950 --> 01:00:47,760
about eight years

1497
01:00:51,430 --> 01:00:48,960
and

1498
01:00:54,150 --> 01:00:51,440
i was always the one that was the go-to

1499
01:00:56,630 --> 01:00:54,160
when anything came up for nuclear

1500
01:00:59,430 --> 01:00:56,640
and our base you know

1501
01:01:02,230 --> 01:00:59,440
right next to dyess air force base and

1502
01:01:04,630 --> 01:01:02,240
i'm telling myself you know if we are

1503
01:01:07,910 --> 01:01:04,640
our base is the number one

1504
01:01:10,789 --> 01:01:07,920
target area because of our aircraft

1505
01:01:13,109 --> 01:01:10,799
and i said well you need to be prepared

1506
01:01:15,430 --> 01:01:13,119
for it of course nobody wants to be you

1507
01:01:16,470 --> 01:01:15,440
know it's always it'll never happen to

1508
01:01:18,470 --> 01:01:16,480
us

1509
01:01:21,109 --> 01:01:18,480
and they back off from it

1510
01:01:24,950 --> 01:01:21,119
but i was always to go between

1511
01:01:26,230 --> 01:01:24,960
with the state and uh with the uh

1512
01:01:29,109 --> 01:01:26,240
local

1513
01:01:30,950 --> 01:01:29,119
and so i kept up on all that stuff

1514
01:01:33,349 --> 01:01:30,960
and there are

1515
01:01:34,390 --> 01:01:33,359
instances where people are still trying

1516
01:01:36,150 --> 01:01:34,400
to feel

1517
01:01:39,750 --> 01:01:36,160
our information

1518
01:01:42,950 --> 01:01:39,760
and china is one number one country that

1519
01:01:45,109 --> 01:01:42,960
deals our technology all the time

1520
01:01:47,030 --> 01:01:45,119
and you know and then of course russia

1521
01:01:48,309 --> 01:01:47,040
closes feel it and

1522
01:01:51,349 --> 01:01:48,319
uh

1523
01:01:53,990 --> 01:01:51,359
you know iran collaborate

1524
01:01:56,309 --> 01:01:54,000
and for what reason because we have from

1525
01:01:57,270 --> 01:01:56,319
the top scientists that do the work on

1526
01:01:59,510 --> 01:01:57,280
it

1527
01:02:02,309 --> 01:01:59,520
and uh you know that's that's where all

1528
01:02:03,349 --> 01:02:02,319
that comes from so my theory is that

1529
01:02:05,190 --> 01:02:03,359
maybe

1530
01:02:07,270 --> 01:02:05,200
perhaps that's what was going on out

1531
01:02:09,670 --> 01:02:07,280
there at that time

1532
01:02:11,589 --> 01:02:09,680
i don't look at it as being

1533
01:02:14,549 --> 01:02:11,599
out of this world because i have no

1534
01:02:15,990 --> 01:02:14,559
evidence to prove it

1535
01:02:19,430 --> 01:02:16,000
i understand that i'm going to talk

1536
01:02:21,109 --> 01:02:19,440
about that in just a minute here

1537
01:02:23,270 --> 01:02:21,119
someone asked in the chat room they

1538
01:02:26,789 --> 01:02:23,280
wanted to know what color the beam was

1539
01:02:28,710 --> 01:02:26,799
that came down from what you saw

1540
01:02:29,829 --> 01:02:28,720
there was a lightest

1541
01:02:32,390 --> 01:02:29,839
uh

1542
01:02:34,549 --> 01:02:32,400
lightest faint gray

1543
01:02:37,029 --> 01:02:34,559
it was kind of like uh

1544
01:02:42,069 --> 01:02:38,950
i guess that'd be the best way to say

1545
01:02:45,510 --> 01:02:42,079
this kind of like a light grey

1546
01:02:46,789 --> 01:02:45,520
and it was pinpointed

1547
01:02:47,750 --> 01:02:46,799
downward

1548
01:02:49,109 --> 01:02:47,760
and

1549
01:02:51,430 --> 01:02:49,119
it was not

1550
01:02:52,630 --> 01:02:51,440
moving in different directions and all

1551
01:02:55,029 --> 01:02:52,640
that it was

1552
01:02:58,150 --> 01:02:55,039
it was coming down to the ground and it

1553
01:03:00,390 --> 01:02:58,160
stayed there wherever that vessel moved

1554
01:03:04,069 --> 01:03:00,400
uh that's where it stayed but it was

1555
01:03:04,950 --> 01:03:04,079
always pointed directly to the ground

1556
01:03:10,230 --> 01:03:04,960
and

1557
01:03:13,670 --> 01:03:10,240
grid search

1558
01:03:15,829 --> 01:03:13,680
i don't see that oh i didn't see that

1559
01:03:19,589 --> 01:03:15,839
out there

1560
01:03:21,670 --> 01:03:19,599
i saw was it coming around period

1561
01:03:23,109 --> 01:03:21,680
and then it would disappear

1562
01:03:24,870 --> 01:03:23,119
on the other base

1563
01:03:27,270 --> 01:03:24,880
then it disappeared from that face and

1564
01:03:29,670 --> 01:03:27,280
building our base immediately

1565
01:03:36,150 --> 01:03:29,680
and those were the instances if i saw

1566
01:03:39,910 --> 01:03:38,390
how many miles

1567
01:03:42,150 --> 01:03:39,920
about six

1568
01:03:44,630 --> 01:03:42,160
six miles uh

1569
01:03:46,710 --> 01:03:44,640
event water and wood bush were

1570
01:03:48,390 --> 01:03:46,720
uh if you went around the base if you

1571
01:03:52,230 --> 01:03:48,400
had to go around the road it was about

1572
01:03:54,789 --> 01:03:52,240
six miles but you were literally

1573
01:03:57,589 --> 01:03:54,799
across the runway you know we had a long

1574
01:03:58,390 --> 01:03:57,599
runway that uh all the aircraft landed

1575
01:03:59,910 --> 01:03:58,400
home

1576
01:04:01,430 --> 01:03:59,920
and you had wood bricks and then they

1577
01:04:02,950 --> 01:04:01,440
had dent waters

1578
01:04:06,309 --> 01:04:02,960
and see i was

1579
01:04:08,870 --> 01:04:06,319
uh i i did all the uh

1580
01:04:11,029 --> 01:04:08,880
disaster preparedness construction

1581
01:04:12,630 --> 01:04:11,039
and i taught all of the people on the

1582
01:04:15,029 --> 01:04:12,640
base when they come on

1583
01:04:16,390 --> 01:04:15,039
come in i did the newcomer what we call

1584
01:04:18,470 --> 01:04:16,400
newcomers

1585
01:04:21,510 --> 01:04:18,480
and i would beat them on what was going

1586
01:04:23,190 --> 01:04:21,520
on give them a loud boosters and all

1587
01:04:25,270 --> 01:04:23,200
kind of things like that you know to

1588
01:04:27,910 --> 01:04:25,280
kind of keep people going

1589
01:04:29,750 --> 01:04:27,920
and i'd go out on flight line and i

1590
01:04:32,549 --> 01:04:29,760
could go across and it'd probably take

1591
01:04:35,109 --> 01:04:32,559
me maybe five minutes to get across five

1592
01:04:37,589 --> 01:04:35,119
or ten minutes gonna get across there

1593
01:04:39,829 --> 01:04:37,599
so that's just an estimate on time i'm

1594
01:04:42,150 --> 01:04:39,839
in distance i don't know

1595
01:04:44,150 --> 01:04:42,160
know exactly how far it was i didn't say

1596
01:04:46,150 --> 01:04:44,160
two runways

1597
01:04:47,589 --> 01:04:46,160
you know and that

1598
01:04:51,029 --> 01:04:47,599
covers it

1599
01:04:52,230 --> 01:04:51,039
yeah yeah um i know i understand

1600
01:04:55,190 --> 01:04:52,240
um

1601
01:04:56,950 --> 01:04:55,200
with your background and your

1602
01:04:59,910 --> 01:04:56,960
military history

1603
01:05:02,309 --> 01:04:59,920
that you've looked into and um

1604
01:05:04,230 --> 01:05:02,319
aircraft identification etc whatever it

1605
01:05:06,710 --> 01:05:04,240
is the background that you have and then

1606
01:05:09,430 --> 01:05:06,720
also knowing the threats of russia and

1607
01:05:12,069 --> 01:05:09,440
china that that would be the first

1608
01:05:15,029 --> 01:05:12,079
place you would go i totally understand

1609
01:05:17,990 --> 01:05:15,039
that as far as uh what these things

1610
01:05:19,109 --> 01:05:18,000
could be from uh but i would like to

1611
01:05:20,549 --> 01:05:19,119
just ask

1612
01:05:23,430 --> 01:05:20,559
you what

1613
01:05:26,390 --> 01:05:23,440
your thoughts would be if something

1614
01:05:28,150 --> 01:05:26,400
looked like it was dripping molten or

1615
01:05:31,029 --> 01:05:28,160
sparks or whatever it is

1616
01:05:34,390 --> 01:05:31,039
how could why would you think that

1617
01:05:37,270 --> 01:05:34,400
a craft from either russia or

1618
01:05:40,069 --> 01:05:37,280
uh or china would have

1619
01:05:42,309 --> 01:05:40,079
something like that happening and also

1620
01:05:44,710 --> 01:05:42,319
uh jem peniston what he

1621
01:05:46,789 --> 01:05:44,720
saw when he walked up and uh john

1622
01:05:49,190 --> 01:05:46,799
burroughs both saw as well and jim

1623
01:05:50,789 --> 01:05:49,200
walked up to it and and touched it and

1624
01:05:52,710 --> 01:05:50,799
all that uh

1625
01:05:54,710 --> 01:05:52,720
would you still think this could be a

1626
01:05:55,430 --> 01:05:54,720
craft at that time

1627
01:05:58,230 --> 01:05:55,440
that

1628
01:06:00,710 --> 01:05:58,240
did what it did

1629
01:06:02,829 --> 01:06:00,720
i sure could because

1630
01:06:06,789 --> 01:06:02,839
okay and the

1631
01:06:07,750 --> 01:06:06,799
heat that he generates

1632
01:06:09,750 --> 01:06:07,760
uh

1633
01:06:12,630 --> 01:06:09,760
various colors

1634
01:06:14,950 --> 01:06:12,640
okay now the hotter it is

1635
01:06:17,109 --> 01:06:14,960
the yellow it is or you know the

1636
01:06:18,549 --> 01:06:17,119
different colors changing

1637
01:06:21,510 --> 01:06:18,559
and

1638
01:06:23,109 --> 01:06:21,520
if let's say that vehicle was flying at

1639
01:06:26,150 --> 01:06:23,119
a high speed

1640
01:06:27,270 --> 01:06:26,160
high speed rate yes that would generate

1641
01:06:29,910 --> 01:06:27,280
heat

1642
01:06:32,950 --> 01:06:29,920
and even like an aircraft when it flies

1643
01:06:33,670 --> 01:06:32,960
it gets a static electricity around it

1644
01:06:36,710 --> 01:06:33,680
so

1645
01:06:39,910 --> 01:06:36,720
what i would i was thinking at the time

1646
01:06:42,230 --> 01:06:39,920
when it was my observation were

1647
01:06:44,230 --> 01:06:42,240
was that it was sitting out there and

1648
01:06:47,349 --> 01:06:44,240
the heat wave

1649
01:06:50,630 --> 01:06:47,359
that come off of it could have been

1650
01:06:52,950 --> 01:06:50,640
the deceptor it could have made it look

1651
01:06:55,270 --> 01:06:52,960
like they were

1652
01:06:58,390 --> 01:06:55,280
multi-level molten

1653
01:07:01,670 --> 01:06:58,400
material no evidence was ever found that

1654
01:07:03,910 --> 01:07:01,680
i know of that happening of it actually

1655
01:07:05,349 --> 01:07:03,920
having multiple i said it was

1656
01:07:07,750 --> 01:07:05,359
like

1657
01:07:08,789 --> 01:07:07,760
molten

1658
01:07:11,190 --> 01:07:08,799
metal

1659
01:07:12,549 --> 01:07:11,200
because i could see what looked like

1660
01:07:15,910 --> 01:07:12,559
appeared to be

1661
01:07:17,270 --> 01:07:15,920
sparks but it also looked like it was

1662
01:07:21,270 --> 01:07:17,280
movement

1663
01:07:24,309 --> 01:07:21,280
waves that were

1664
01:07:26,309 --> 01:07:24,319
uh generated over over the

1665
01:07:29,430 --> 01:07:26,319
the width of the craft

1666
01:07:30,870 --> 01:07:29,440
an airplane when it flies in the air it

1667
01:07:32,230 --> 01:07:30,880
develops a

1668
01:07:35,750 --> 01:07:32,240
high rate of

1669
01:07:40,230 --> 01:07:35,760
a high velocity of static electricity

1670
01:07:43,270 --> 01:07:40,240
and if you did not have these uh

1671
01:07:44,950 --> 01:07:43,280
little of strips on the end of it you

1672
01:07:46,630 --> 01:07:44,960
could touch the aircraft and you could

1673
01:07:50,390 --> 01:07:46,640
get killed because of the static

1674
01:07:52,789 --> 01:07:50,400
electricity so those strips on the wings

1675
01:07:55,589 --> 01:07:52,799
are designed so that the static

1676
01:07:56,710 --> 01:07:55,599
electricity blowing over the wings can

1677
01:08:01,270 --> 01:07:56,720
uh

1678
01:08:02,309 --> 01:08:01,280
electricity so you don't get harmed from

1679
01:08:03,270 --> 01:08:02,319
it

1680
01:08:05,109 --> 01:08:03,280
and

1681
01:08:06,470 --> 01:08:05,119
those are the things that see that i

1682
01:08:09,029 --> 01:08:06,480
think some

1683
01:08:11,270 --> 01:08:09,039
and i look at all of the all of the

1684
01:08:13,109 --> 01:08:11,280
different things that that i could

1685
01:08:14,870 --> 01:08:13,119
observe then

1686
01:08:16,870 --> 01:08:14,880
and then go back through my mind and

1687
01:08:19,430 --> 01:08:16,880
then evaluate

1688
01:08:20,229 --> 01:08:19,440
over the last 41 years

1689
01:08:24,630 --> 01:08:20,239
and

1690
01:08:24,640 --> 01:08:27,559
you there

1691
01:08:32,390 --> 01:08:29,590
[Laughter]

1692
01:08:33,349 --> 01:08:32,400
uh well supposedly his phone was plugged

1693
01:08:34,470 --> 01:08:33,359
in

1694
01:08:36,390 --> 01:08:34,480
but uh

1695
01:08:39,430 --> 01:08:36,400
we may have just lost him

1696
01:08:42,870 --> 01:08:39,440
uh billy there

1697
01:08:45,910 --> 01:08:42,880
no that was my teeth my teeth touched

1698
01:08:46,870 --> 01:08:45,920
the phone that's what it was oh okay

1699
01:08:51,110 --> 01:08:46,880
all right

1700
01:08:53,910 --> 01:08:51,120
so do you remember what you're in the

1701
01:08:57,749 --> 01:08:55,829
uh uh well i was in the middle of

1702
01:09:00,229 --> 01:08:57,759
describing that he you were talking

1703
01:09:03,430 --> 01:09:02,470
that and what i was trying to say was

1704
01:09:05,510 --> 01:09:03,440
that

1705
01:09:07,189 --> 01:09:05,520
uh you know at night

1706
01:09:08,149 --> 01:09:07,199
the heat waves

1707
01:09:13,910 --> 01:09:08,159
can be

1708
01:09:15,990 --> 01:09:13,920
and static electricity on an aircraft uh

1709
01:09:18,870 --> 01:09:16,000
as i was saying

1710
01:09:20,870 --> 01:09:18,880
is strong enough and and sufficient

1711
01:09:22,229 --> 01:09:20,880
enough to kill a person

1712
01:09:24,630 --> 01:09:22,239
if you

1713
01:09:27,349 --> 01:09:24,640
touch an aircraft or let's say something

1714
01:09:30,309 --> 01:09:27,359
like that without flown for a while

1715
01:09:31,749 --> 01:09:30,319
and it lands and if it didn't have the

1716
01:09:35,030 --> 01:09:31,759
sprints on it

1717
01:09:37,269 --> 01:09:35,040
to dissipate the static electricity

1718
01:09:39,829 --> 01:09:37,279
it can be a metal static in there that

1719
01:09:40,870 --> 01:09:39,839
you touch the metal and it could kill

1720
01:09:43,669 --> 01:09:40,880
you

1721
01:09:45,749 --> 01:09:43,679
and so the aircraft has these little

1722
01:09:47,590 --> 01:09:45,759
strips on the ends of the wings and if

1723
01:09:50,229 --> 01:09:47,600
you ever fly

1724
01:09:52,229 --> 01:09:50,239
on a commercial aircraft you look out

1725
01:09:53,189 --> 01:09:52,239
you can see those little splits on the

1726
01:09:55,030 --> 01:09:53,199
end

1727
01:09:57,830 --> 01:09:55,040
and what that's doing is letting that

1728
01:10:00,709 --> 01:09:57,840
electricity go out through those strips

1729
01:10:02,950 --> 01:10:00,719
and into the air so that when it lands

1730
01:10:04,390 --> 01:10:02,960
it does not have that accumulated

1731
01:10:06,709 --> 01:10:04,400
culture

1732
01:10:09,270 --> 01:10:06,719
and a lot of people don't realize that

1733
01:10:11,350 --> 01:10:09,280
but that's exactly what happened

1734
01:10:13,030 --> 01:10:11,360
and so you know we'd have to have that

1735
01:10:14,550 --> 01:10:13,040
because i was an aircraft structural

1736
01:10:16,550 --> 01:10:14,560
mechanic

1737
01:10:19,350 --> 01:10:16,560
in wrinkles first

1738
01:10:21,110 --> 01:10:19,360
and i worked on helicopters all the time

1739
01:10:23,430 --> 01:10:21,120
on the structure of the body and

1740
01:10:25,350 --> 01:10:23,440
everything and i had to go out and check

1741
01:10:28,149 --> 01:10:25,360
those trips and make sure they were in

1742
01:10:30,149 --> 01:10:28,159
good shape before it took off again

1743
01:10:32,950 --> 01:10:30,159
and so you know you got all these little

1744
01:10:35,110 --> 01:10:32,960
things that that accumulate and then

1745
01:10:36,950 --> 01:10:35,120
your knowledge that you gain from what

1746
01:10:37,750 --> 01:10:36,960
your experiences are

1747
01:10:40,310 --> 01:10:37,760
to

1748
01:10:42,070 --> 01:10:40,320
feel like and that's what i do i

1749
01:10:44,870 --> 01:10:42,080
theorize and see

1750
01:10:47,110 --> 01:10:44,880
what could cause instead of hey maybe

1751
01:10:51,510 --> 01:10:47,120
this man that much i don't do that i

1752
01:10:55,189 --> 01:10:52,390
so

1753
01:10:57,030 --> 01:10:55,199
if if you i'm not trying to get you to

1754
01:10:58,790 --> 01:10:57,040
say they're extraterrestrial believe me

1755
01:11:01,030 --> 01:10:58,800
because um

1756
01:11:02,550 --> 01:11:01,040
but i i just am

1757
01:11:04,790 --> 01:11:02,560
curious

1758
01:11:06,790 --> 01:11:04,800
i'm just asking you questions

1759
01:11:09,430 --> 01:11:06,800
along the lines of

1760
01:11:10,390 --> 01:11:09,440
um something being explainable and that

1761
01:11:20,709 --> 01:11:10,400
is

1762
01:11:23,189 --> 01:11:20,719
like a one-time thing and then

1763
01:11:25,590 --> 01:11:23,199
that's basically it it's not we don't we

1764
01:11:29,750 --> 01:11:25,600
never see the technology

1765
01:11:35,910 --> 01:11:31,669
well i don't know

1766
01:11:38,390 --> 01:11:35,920
i i you know maybe not at them waters

1767
01:11:41,830 --> 01:11:38,400
but lake in the milden hall and all

1768
01:11:43,990 --> 01:11:41,840
these other bases that were in the uk

1769
01:11:45,590 --> 01:11:44,000
were always

1770
01:11:48,950 --> 01:11:45,600
coming up with

1771
01:11:49,910 --> 01:11:48,960
ufos uh notices and everything coming

1772
01:11:52,390 --> 01:11:49,920
out

1773
01:11:55,350 --> 01:11:52,400
and that's why i say i don't know

1774
01:11:56,630 --> 01:11:55,360
what i've my question is that that keeps

1775
01:11:58,470 --> 01:11:56,640
coming up

1776
01:11:59,270 --> 01:11:58,480
to me

1777
01:12:00,709 --> 01:11:59,280
is

1778
01:12:01,910 --> 01:12:00,719
why

1779
01:12:04,470 --> 01:12:01,920
are these

1780
01:12:07,830 --> 01:12:04,480
so-called ufos

1781
01:12:10,229 --> 01:12:07,840
only going to military bases why are

1782
01:12:13,350 --> 01:12:10,239
they going to bases with

1783
01:12:15,430 --> 01:12:13,360
uh quote-unquote nuclear operations or

1784
01:12:17,510 --> 01:12:15,440
nuclear weapons on board

1785
01:12:19,750 --> 01:12:17,520
why do they go to that why do they go to

1786
01:12:22,229 --> 01:12:19,760
navy ships that have

1787
01:12:24,229 --> 01:12:22,239
possibly nuclear why do they go it's

1788
01:12:25,030 --> 01:12:24,239
always nuclear

1789
01:12:27,110 --> 01:12:25,040
and

1790
01:12:28,709 --> 01:12:27,120
for the most part

1791
01:12:31,910 --> 01:12:28,719
every weapon

1792
01:12:34,070 --> 01:12:31,920
in every every encounter that we've had

1793
01:12:37,510 --> 01:12:34,080
has always been around

1794
01:12:41,110 --> 01:12:37,520
roswell been around uh you know all

1795
01:12:43,910 --> 01:12:41,120
these bases that happened where

1796
01:12:45,750 --> 01:12:43,920
this technology was available

1797
01:12:47,830 --> 01:12:45,760
and why

1798
01:12:49,189 --> 01:12:47,840
would they do that in the first place i

1799
01:12:51,189 --> 01:12:49,199
don't know

1800
01:12:52,550 --> 01:12:51,199
that that's a question that remains

1801
01:12:53,669 --> 01:12:52,560
unknown

1802
01:12:54,950 --> 01:12:53,679
your

1803
01:13:00,470 --> 01:12:54,960
top secret

1804
01:13:02,550 --> 01:13:00,480
are supposed to be maintained so

1805
01:13:03,830 --> 01:13:02,560
nobody would ever know

1806
01:13:05,830 --> 01:13:03,840
and of course you know it's been

1807
01:13:07,430 --> 01:13:05,840
declassified over a year that's why i

1808
01:13:08,229 --> 01:13:07,440
can talk about it

1809
01:13:10,790 --> 01:13:08,239
but

1810
01:13:12,550 --> 01:13:10,800
after that at that time i wasn't i

1811
01:13:15,110 --> 01:13:12,560
wasn't able to talk to anybody i

1812
01:13:17,189 --> 01:13:15,120
couldn't do it because

1813
01:13:19,430 --> 01:13:17,199
uh i've been

1814
01:13:21,910 --> 01:13:19,440
testing very quickly

1815
01:13:23,350 --> 01:13:21,920
had i did had i released information

1816
01:13:24,950 --> 01:13:23,360
back then

1817
01:13:27,270 --> 01:13:24,960
and i didn't say a certain thing to

1818
01:13:29,030 --> 01:13:27,280
anybody until i was told it was no

1819
01:13:30,950 --> 01:13:29,040
longer classified

1820
01:13:32,950 --> 01:13:30,960
and then that's when i started speaking

1821
01:13:34,870 --> 01:13:32,960
up

1822
01:13:37,990 --> 01:13:34,880
now i remember reading somewhere that

1823
01:13:40,149 --> 01:13:38,000
the mod had a large file

1824
01:13:42,229 --> 01:13:40,159
on this particular case

1825
01:13:45,990 --> 01:13:42,239
have you yourself

1826
01:13:47,590 --> 01:13:46,000
done any personal research into this you

1827
01:13:50,390 --> 01:13:47,600
know in in

1828
01:13:52,149 --> 01:13:50,400
looking into things like that or

1829
01:13:53,910 --> 01:13:52,159
have you looked into

1830
01:13:56,870 --> 01:13:53,920
this say since the internet has come

1831
01:13:58,630 --> 01:13:56,880
along have you really like dug into this

1832
01:14:02,310 --> 01:13:58,640
or are you just

1833
01:14:04,630 --> 01:14:02,320
plain only interested in your own story

1834
01:14:07,990 --> 01:14:04,640
no sir i'm not interested in just my own

1835
01:14:10,390 --> 01:14:08,000
story i look at everything i see nobody

1836
01:14:12,390 --> 01:14:10,400
face everything on my my knowledge and

1837
01:14:14,070 --> 01:14:12,400
my experience

1838
01:14:15,990 --> 01:14:14,080
then that's all i'll ever have i'll

1839
01:14:18,310 --> 01:14:16,000
never have anything else

1840
01:14:19,669 --> 01:14:18,320
so i have an open mind that i'm willing

1841
01:14:21,350 --> 01:14:19,679
to listen to

1842
01:14:23,189 --> 01:14:21,360
and i'm willing to

1843
01:14:26,390 --> 01:14:23,199
uh apply

1844
01:14:28,790 --> 01:14:26,400
i just don't take uh you know the lies

1845
01:14:32,390 --> 01:14:28,800
it was supposedly said

1846
01:14:34,870 --> 01:14:32,400
and uh make facts of it i don't do that

1847
01:14:37,030 --> 01:14:34,880
what i do is i take what i know what i

1848
01:14:39,030 --> 01:14:37,040
look at i've looked it up on the

1849
01:14:42,070 --> 01:14:39,040
computer i've done

1850
01:14:44,390 --> 01:14:42,080
research on how for beta gamma

1851
01:14:46,310 --> 01:14:44,400
constantly stay and stay in touch with

1852
01:14:49,189 --> 01:14:46,320
what i what i read

1853
01:14:51,189 --> 01:14:49,199
i had a scientist that came out here

1854
01:14:52,950 --> 01:14:51,199
from alabama

1855
01:14:55,990 --> 01:14:52,960
a couple of years ago

1856
01:14:58,630 --> 01:14:56,000
and she brought with her uh some

1857
01:15:01,430 --> 01:14:58,640
contaminated rocks

1858
01:15:03,270 --> 01:15:01,440
from uh that she got from lab

1859
01:15:05,350 --> 01:15:03,280
and a geyser counter

1860
01:15:06,870 --> 01:15:05,360
and she went through

1861
01:15:08,630 --> 01:15:06,880
the garden counter

1862
01:15:12,149 --> 01:15:08,640
encounter with me

1863
01:15:13,110 --> 01:15:12,159
on hers and then translated that over

1864
01:15:17,350 --> 01:15:13,120
the

1865
01:15:18,870 --> 01:15:17,360
went back back in

1866
01:15:21,990 --> 01:15:18,880
1980

1867
01:15:22,950 --> 01:15:22,000
and she confirmed and i have it in

1868
01:15:25,350 --> 01:15:22,960
writing

1869
01:15:27,910 --> 01:15:25,360
that my readings were accurate that they

1870
01:15:29,110 --> 01:15:27,920
were considered around southern middle

1871
01:15:31,910 --> 01:15:29,120
lincoln

1872
01:15:33,110 --> 01:15:31,920
that was about 25 times higher than the

1873
01:15:35,830 --> 01:15:33,120
normal

1874
01:15:38,470 --> 01:15:35,840
and why that is there i don't know but

1875
01:15:40,070 --> 01:15:38,480
that's what i detected on the on the uh

1876
01:15:41,990 --> 01:15:40,080
instrument

1877
01:15:43,430 --> 01:15:42,000
and there's been a question over the

1878
01:15:46,870 --> 01:15:43,440
years why

1879
01:15:49,830 --> 01:15:46,880
uh you say one time 27 and in the 43

1880
01:15:53,510 --> 01:15:49,840
well the difference between the two is

1881
01:15:54,310 --> 01:15:53,520
did the a anpdr 27

1882
01:15:55,430 --> 01:15:54,320
has

1883
01:15:59,990 --> 01:15:55,440
yellow

1884
01:16:02,390 --> 01:16:00,000
pinkish red

1885
01:16:09,189 --> 01:16:05,030
blue readings on the scales

1886
01:16:10,950 --> 01:16:09,199
and the 20 and the 43 only has white

1887
01:16:12,470 --> 01:16:10,960
that's the only difference between those

1888
01:16:15,270 --> 01:16:12,480
two instruments they're both about the

1889
01:16:18,470 --> 01:16:15,280
same and they're both antiques and i've

1890
01:16:21,110 --> 01:16:18,480
got two of them 27s at home

1891
01:16:24,550 --> 01:16:21,120
and i could take pictures of them and

1892
01:16:29,830 --> 01:16:26,550
as far as uh

1893
01:16:31,990 --> 01:16:29,840
i i think that if someone like is uh has

1894
01:16:32,950 --> 01:16:32,000
a open cut or something like that then

1895
01:16:34,709 --> 01:16:32,960
they can

1896
01:16:36,310 --> 01:16:34,719
it can be dangerous but other than that

1897
01:16:38,470 --> 01:16:36,320
that's not really that dangerous unless

1898
01:16:39,990 --> 01:16:38,480
you're breathing in for a long time at

1899
01:16:42,229 --> 01:16:40,000
that level is that

1900
01:16:45,030 --> 01:16:42,239
is that correct

1901
01:16:46,550 --> 01:16:45,040
well it would you would if you breathed

1902
01:16:48,950 --> 01:16:46,560
it in

1903
01:16:50,310 --> 01:16:48,960
you raised beta radiation into your

1904
01:16:53,030 --> 01:16:50,320
lungs

1905
01:16:54,630 --> 01:16:53,040
it can go into your body

1906
01:16:58,870 --> 01:16:54,640
and it uh

1907
01:17:00,870 --> 01:16:58,880
it burns and it can affect the

1908
01:17:04,149 --> 01:17:00,880
internal organs

1909
01:17:06,470 --> 01:17:04,159
now can do the same thing but alpha

1910
01:17:07,590 --> 01:17:06,480
uh let's say for example alpha might

1911
01:17:09,350 --> 01:17:07,600
make you

1912
01:17:11,830 --> 01:17:09,360
slightly sick

1913
01:17:14,310 --> 01:17:11,840
beta would make you

1914
01:17:15,669 --> 01:17:14,320
uh i would say pretty

1915
01:17:17,750 --> 01:17:15,679
very well but

1916
01:17:19,510 --> 01:17:17,760
you know make you sick in other words it

1917
01:17:22,790 --> 01:17:19,520
make you you know it

1918
01:17:24,950 --> 01:17:22,800
and it would affect your lungs and uh

1919
01:17:27,189 --> 01:17:24,960
i don't want your lungs i'd say lungs it

1920
01:17:29,030 --> 01:17:27,199
makes it it affects your internal body

1921
01:17:31,110 --> 01:17:29,040
parts anyway

1922
01:17:33,350 --> 01:17:31,120
and it burns and what it does

1923
01:17:34,790 --> 01:17:33,360
essentially it just burns the

1924
01:17:37,669 --> 01:17:34,800
tissue

1925
01:17:39,189 --> 01:17:37,679
and it doesn't give you any long-lasting

1926
01:17:41,830 --> 01:17:39,199
radiation

1927
01:17:45,110 --> 01:17:41,840
because it dies but it

1928
01:17:47,110 --> 01:17:45,120
does cause you to have uh

1929
01:17:49,830 --> 01:17:47,120
you know some effect

1930
01:17:53,590 --> 01:17:49,840
and i i i questioned some of the things

1931
01:17:56,470 --> 01:17:53,600
that that borrowed claims he had

1932
01:17:59,270 --> 01:17:56,480
to get money from the va and all that

1933
01:18:00,070 --> 01:17:59,280
and you know that could happen i don't

1934
01:18:01,990 --> 01:18:00,080
know

1935
01:18:04,390 --> 01:18:02,000
and i'm not going to be the one to say

1936
01:18:07,830 --> 01:18:04,400
that yes it did no it didn't

1937
01:18:11,669 --> 01:18:07,840
i don't suspect it did because there was

1938
01:18:13,750 --> 01:18:11,679
not enough contamination out there but

1939
01:18:15,590 --> 01:18:13,760
that's his story and i'll let him teach

1940
01:18:17,350 --> 01:18:15,600
that story

1941
01:18:20,870 --> 01:18:17,360
all right another thing

1942
01:18:22,229 --> 01:18:20,880
you hear or i have heard over the years

1943
01:18:24,149 --> 01:18:22,239
that

1944
01:18:26,470 --> 01:18:24,159
during the debriefing some of the

1945
01:18:27,910 --> 01:18:26,480
soldiers were drugged

1946
01:18:31,110 --> 01:18:27,920
um

1947
01:18:33,270 --> 01:18:31,120
what are your what's your take on that

1948
01:18:34,790 --> 01:18:33,280
well there were no soldiers out there

1949
01:18:38,229 --> 01:18:34,800
they would have been

1950
01:18:41,189 --> 01:18:38,239
well airmen all right airmen pardon me

1951
01:18:43,110 --> 01:18:41,199
i don't i don't think well the police

1952
01:18:46,470 --> 01:18:43,120
say they call themselves but i

1953
01:18:51,030 --> 01:18:46,480
understand but uh anyway uh

1954
01:18:54,630 --> 01:18:51,040
i don't know that they were or not uh

1955
01:18:56,550 --> 01:18:54,640
the uh intelligence community within the

1956
01:18:58,149 --> 01:18:56,560
air force

1957
01:19:00,149 --> 01:18:58,159
you know they

1958
01:19:02,390 --> 01:19:00,159
have their own technique of trying to

1959
01:19:05,830 --> 01:19:02,400
get you to do things

1960
01:19:07,669 --> 01:19:05,840
and i know i have had commanders try to

1961
01:19:10,149 --> 01:19:07,679
get me to say something and i wouldn't

1962
01:19:11,110 --> 01:19:10,159
do it because it wasn't right

1963
01:19:14,709 --> 01:19:11,120
and

1964
01:19:16,550 --> 01:19:14,719
i i'm not talented a general i'd be a

1965
01:19:19,430 --> 01:19:16,560
battle staff guardian

1966
01:19:21,590 --> 01:19:19,440
e5 i'd stand up to general just as much

1967
01:19:23,189 --> 01:19:21,600
as he i could he put his pants on the

1968
01:19:25,350 --> 01:19:23,199
same way i did

1969
01:19:27,669 --> 01:19:25,360
and i said uh you know you're a man i'm

1970
01:19:29,830 --> 01:19:27,679
a man i'm going to tell you like it is i

1971
01:19:32,790 --> 01:19:29,840
said my job is not to tell you how to

1972
01:19:34,630 --> 01:19:32,800
die my job to keep you alive and i said

1973
01:19:36,229 --> 01:19:34,640
i'm going to keep you alive like combat

1974
01:19:37,189 --> 01:19:36,239
marine i'm not going to keep you alive

1975
01:19:41,590 --> 01:19:37,199
like

1976
01:19:42,390 --> 01:19:41,600
and that was my philosophy

1977
01:19:44,470 --> 01:19:42,400
and

1978
01:19:45,430 --> 01:19:44,480
so you know the things that happened out

1979
01:19:47,030 --> 01:19:45,440
there

1980
01:19:48,630 --> 01:19:47,040
are the

1981
01:19:54,550 --> 01:19:48,640
radiation

1982
01:19:57,110 --> 01:19:54,560
level was about at least between 25 and

1983
01:19:58,550 --> 01:19:57,120
100 times more than normal

1984
01:19:59,990 --> 01:19:58,560
uh but

1985
01:20:02,229 --> 01:20:00,000
then again

1986
01:20:05,270 --> 01:20:02,239
that wasn't enough to make everybody

1987
01:20:07,830 --> 01:20:05,280
sick and anybody goes in and said they

1988
01:20:09,189 --> 01:20:07,840
get sick from it i can't see it because

1989
01:20:11,510 --> 01:20:09,199
i never did

1990
01:20:14,310 --> 01:20:11,520
if i got sick i sure didn't know about

1991
01:20:19,189 --> 01:20:16,470
what was the general

1992
01:20:22,550 --> 01:20:19,199
reaction to what you were seeing with

1993
01:20:27,030 --> 01:20:24,709
normal reaction was everybody was out

1994
01:20:29,270 --> 01:20:27,040
there trying to do the job more there

1995
01:20:30,950 --> 01:20:29,280
was more hype on the other side than it

1996
01:20:33,270 --> 01:20:30,960
was on mine

1997
01:20:35,430 --> 01:20:33,280
see i went out with no idea i didn't

1998
01:20:36,870 --> 01:20:35,440
look at it being hyped i didn't i didn't

1999
01:20:39,430 --> 01:20:36,880
i just

2000
01:20:41,669 --> 01:20:39,440
my my philosophy was back bro you know

2001
01:20:44,470 --> 01:20:41,679
when i went out to do a job

2002
01:20:47,270 --> 01:20:44,480
if the commander sent me out

2003
01:20:48,950 --> 01:20:47,280
the way i was trained as a marine

2004
01:20:52,070 --> 01:20:48,960
is i went out there

2005
01:20:53,990 --> 01:20:52,080
i did the job if it meant my life that

2006
01:20:56,310 --> 01:20:54,000
was part of the job

2007
01:20:59,510 --> 01:20:56,320
if it meant that i went out there to get

2008
01:21:01,830 --> 01:20:59,520
the facts that was part of my job

2009
01:21:04,390 --> 01:21:01,840
and i was selected by the comrade marine

2010
01:21:05,189 --> 01:21:04,400
corps to go on embassy duty so i think i

2011
01:21:06,550 --> 01:21:05,199
had

2012
01:21:09,430 --> 01:21:06,560
a pretty good

2013
01:21:10,870 --> 01:21:09,440
knowledge about what was going on i made

2014
01:21:12,470 --> 01:21:10,880
e5 in

2015
01:21:14,470 --> 01:21:12,480
less than

2016
01:21:17,990 --> 01:21:14,480
about 12 months

2017
01:21:20,550 --> 01:21:18,000
and that was unheard of i made 25

2018
01:21:24,470 --> 01:21:20,560
in uh

2019
01:21:27,669 --> 01:21:24,480
about 13 let's see i guess it was about

2020
01:21:30,070 --> 01:21:27,679
two years and about four or five months

2021
01:21:31,750 --> 01:21:30,080
when i went air force it took me five

2022
01:21:34,390 --> 01:21:31,760
years and 11 months to get that one

2023
01:21:36,629 --> 01:21:34,400
grade back that they took away from

2024
01:21:40,310 --> 01:21:36,639
so that's the difference

2025
01:21:42,790 --> 01:21:40,320
but my knowledge was there and i trained

2026
01:21:46,310 --> 01:21:42,800
my people the same way

2027
01:21:47,910 --> 01:21:46,320
and you know so there's just a lot of

2028
01:21:51,270 --> 01:21:47,920
disparity

2029
01:21:53,990 --> 01:21:51,280
i believe that there was something there

2030
01:21:56,629 --> 01:21:54,000
i believe that uh

2031
01:21:57,910 --> 01:21:56,639
pennington he and i are very good

2032
01:22:00,470 --> 01:21:57,920
friends we

2033
01:22:03,030 --> 01:22:00,480
uh we communicate and talk about this

2034
01:22:05,110 --> 01:22:03,040
whole situation all the time and we're

2035
01:22:06,550 --> 01:22:05,120
both theorizing trying to figure out

2036
01:22:09,270 --> 01:22:06,560
what could it be

2037
01:22:11,510 --> 01:22:09,280
what would it be and that's what you

2038
01:22:14,229 --> 01:22:11,520
have to do otherwise if you don't then

2039
01:22:16,870 --> 01:22:14,239
you just forget it and leave it alone

2040
01:22:18,229 --> 01:22:16,880
and uh so we're always talking about it

2041
01:22:19,830 --> 01:22:18,239
and talking about

2042
01:22:21,350 --> 01:22:19,840
uh some of the things that have been

2043
01:22:22,629 --> 01:22:21,360
said and some of the things that haven't

2044
01:22:25,750 --> 01:22:22,639
been said

2045
01:22:29,030 --> 01:22:25,760
and kind of go from there

2046
01:22:30,870 --> 01:22:29,040
right uh going back to the debriefing i

2047
01:22:33,910 --> 01:22:30,880
i can't remember the gentleman's name

2048
01:22:37,030 --> 01:22:33,920
you spoke with conroy or something like

2049
01:22:39,189 --> 01:22:37,040
that um but is that was that the extent

2050
01:22:41,350 --> 01:22:39,199
of your debriefing on the whole

2051
01:22:43,590 --> 01:22:41,360
situation

2052
01:22:45,910 --> 01:22:43,600
no sir we talked about it over time

2053
01:22:48,149 --> 01:22:45,920
period several times

2054
01:22:50,470 --> 01:22:48,159
and you know he would always tell me you

2055
01:22:52,390 --> 01:22:50,480
know he said tell me you know sean

2056
01:22:54,470 --> 01:22:52,400
miller

2057
01:22:55,669 --> 01:22:54,480
i can't do it your way and i'd say well

2058
01:22:58,550 --> 01:22:55,679
sir

2059
01:23:01,110 --> 01:22:58,560
if we can't do it my way i mean

2060
01:23:02,070 --> 01:23:01,120
i can't do a joy i don't know how to do

2061
01:23:04,870 --> 01:23:02,080
it

2062
01:23:06,709 --> 01:23:04,880
and i said you're gonna have to trust me

2063
01:23:08,629 --> 01:23:06,719
i said if you can trust me to go out

2064
01:23:10,709 --> 01:23:08,639
there and do whatever i got to do for

2065
01:23:12,950 --> 01:23:10,719
you i'll go out and do it and then i'll

2066
01:23:15,270 --> 01:23:12,960
come back and give you the answer on it

2067
01:23:17,830 --> 01:23:15,280
and that was our basic understanding i

2068
01:23:20,390 --> 01:23:17,840
did about six projects one of them was

2069
01:23:21,430 --> 01:23:20,400
realigning of all the base uh chemical

2070
01:23:24,229 --> 01:23:21,440
foods

2071
01:23:25,030 --> 01:23:24,239
about 66 parts feed food

2072
01:23:32,229 --> 01:23:25,040
and

2073
01:23:34,470 --> 01:23:32,239
got accommodation

2074
01:23:35,910 --> 01:23:34,480
and you know i worked with him because

2075
01:23:37,910 --> 01:23:35,920
he could trust me

2076
01:23:39,910 --> 01:23:37,920
and i could talk to him just like

2077
01:23:41,189 --> 01:23:39,920
anybody else and we'd get along real

2078
01:23:44,390 --> 01:23:41,199
good about it

2079
01:23:47,990 --> 01:23:44,400
and so when pearls and i went to

2080
01:23:51,350 --> 01:23:48,000
team colonel conrad and jamie we talked

2081
01:23:52,629 --> 01:23:51,360
about it and he said constantly that he

2082
01:23:54,709 --> 01:23:52,639
did not

2083
01:23:57,590 --> 01:23:54,719
see anything at the time or he didn't

2084
01:23:59,189 --> 01:23:57,600
believe anything at the time and he had

2085
01:24:01,990 --> 01:23:59,199
to trust me

2086
01:24:04,950 --> 01:24:02,000
and he trusted me from my observation

2087
01:24:07,430 --> 01:24:04,960
and that's where we took it

2088
01:24:09,830 --> 01:24:07,440
i see i am putting the phone number up

2089
01:24:11,590 --> 01:24:09,840
here now i do not have a screener this

2090
01:24:15,189 --> 01:24:11,600
you are on the only line we have for

2091
01:24:16,790 --> 01:24:15,199
collins um so this is my uh my show

2092
01:24:19,750 --> 01:24:16,800
number that i have

2093
01:24:21,990 --> 01:24:19,760
here uh again i cannot screen the call

2094
01:24:23,189 --> 01:24:22,000
i'd really like for jen penniston i know

2095
01:24:24,550 --> 01:24:23,199
he's listening

2096
01:24:26,310 --> 01:24:24,560
jim if you want to give a call and i'd

2097
01:24:28,950 --> 01:24:26,320
love to hear from you that number is up

2098
01:24:31,430 --> 01:24:28,960
on the screen 207

2099
01:24:33,350 --> 01:24:31,440
zero 482-05 five six

2100
01:24:35,270 --> 01:24:33,360
um so

2101
01:24:37,750 --> 01:24:35,280
i know that you're you're keeping to

2102
01:24:40,550 --> 01:24:37,760
your story i do appreciate that and i

2103
01:24:41,750 --> 01:24:40,560
always think and i often say

2104
01:24:45,830 --> 01:24:41,760
um

2105
01:24:48,070 --> 01:24:45,840
i'm not sure if this gemini we'll see

2106
01:24:50,229 --> 01:24:48,080
hello this is martin

2107
01:24:52,310 --> 01:24:50,239
hi martin this is john i had a question

2108
01:24:53,830 --> 01:24:52,320
for sergeant neville yes go right ahead

2109
01:24:56,310 --> 01:24:53,840
john

2110
01:24:59,430 --> 01:24:56,320
hi uh sergeant thanks for coming on

2111
01:25:02,149 --> 01:24:59,440
martin's show um i've read three books

2112
01:25:03,590 --> 01:25:02,159
on random stem it's a fascinating case

2113
01:25:06,310 --> 01:25:03,600
can you tell me

2114
01:25:09,430 --> 01:25:06,320
weren't you with uh colonel halt

2115
01:25:11,830 --> 01:25:09,440
when he was out and he saw the

2116
01:25:14,149 --> 01:25:11,840
unidentified object

2117
01:25:15,430 --> 01:25:14,159
close to you and aim a beam of light a

2118
01:25:17,510 --> 01:25:15,440
very narrow

2119
01:25:19,510 --> 01:25:17,520
laser-like beam of light down on the

2120
01:25:21,430 --> 01:25:19,520
ground did you witness that

2121
01:25:24,830 --> 01:25:21,440
we've already we've been talk he's been

2122
01:25:27,990 --> 01:25:24,840
talking about that but uh go ahead

2123
01:25:29,669 --> 01:25:28,000
i didn't know you covered that i'm sorry

2124
01:25:31,189 --> 01:25:29,679
so uh well i'll let you go on to

2125
01:25:32,790 --> 01:25:31,199
somebody else i must have missed it i

2126
01:25:35,189 --> 01:25:32,800
missed some of the show sorry all right

2127
01:25:40,629 --> 01:25:35,199
no problem no problem thank you

2128
01:25:42,790 --> 01:25:40,639
so that number's up um again 207 482-055

2129
01:25:45,910 --> 01:25:42,800
just just on a side note here

2130
01:25:48,070 --> 01:25:45,920
i've been getting a lot of emails a lot

2131
01:25:49,990 --> 01:25:48,080
of people are sending me ufos

2132
01:25:52,390 --> 01:25:50,000
sightings and things that they have

2133
01:25:54,149 --> 01:25:52,400
i do try to return all the emails but do

2134
01:25:57,669 --> 01:25:54,159
keep in mind if you do email me please

2135
01:25:59,110 --> 01:25:57,679
keep it brief because i get so many

2136
01:26:01,110 --> 01:25:59,120
um and

2137
01:26:02,470 --> 01:26:01,120
again i'll try to get back to you i had

2138
01:26:04,310 --> 01:26:02,480
several even

2139
01:26:07,030 --> 01:26:04,320
later to you know right right up against

2140
01:26:11,270 --> 01:26:07,040
the show a number of of emails so that

2141
01:26:16,070 --> 01:26:13,750
and uh we'd like to hear from you

2142
01:26:17,669 --> 01:26:16,080
and this is i'm actually using my

2143
01:26:19,189 --> 01:26:17,679
phone and putting it on top of my

2144
01:26:20,390 --> 01:26:19,199
microphone it seemed like it worked

2145
01:26:21,830 --> 01:26:20,400
pretty good there

2146
01:26:22,709 --> 01:26:21,840
um

2147
01:26:25,910 --> 01:26:22,719
so

2148
01:26:28,070 --> 01:26:25,920
uh as i was saying before the call

2149
01:26:30,149 --> 01:26:28,080
you're a person that likes to stick to

2150
01:26:33,830 --> 01:26:30,159
the facts and and i do

2151
01:26:36,070 --> 01:26:33,840
i do appreciate that um but i'm sure and

2152
01:26:39,669 --> 01:26:36,080
you talked about i think your term was

2153
01:26:42,550 --> 01:26:39,679
everyone sees an elephant differently

2154
01:26:45,430 --> 01:26:42,560
do you think that some of the accounts

2155
01:26:47,430 --> 01:26:45,440
that you hear out there are are pretty

2156
01:26:48,310 --> 01:26:47,440
close to yours or do you think they're

2157
01:26:52,629 --> 01:26:48,320
all

2158
01:26:55,110 --> 01:26:52,639
very variable from person to person

2159
01:26:58,310 --> 01:26:55,120
i think they're variable

2160
01:26:59,350 --> 01:26:58,320
no one comes up i'm not heard in any

2161
01:27:03,110 --> 01:26:59,360
time

2162
01:27:07,430 --> 01:27:03,120
uh over the 41 years i'm not urged

2163
01:27:09,510 --> 01:27:07,440
uh anyone with the same or similar

2164
01:27:10,950 --> 01:27:09,520
instances that happened

2165
01:27:12,229 --> 01:27:10,960
at bendwater

2166
01:27:13,430 --> 01:27:12,239
in woodbridge

2167
01:27:14,390 --> 01:27:13,440
you know

2168
01:27:17,030 --> 01:27:14,400
the

2169
01:27:18,390 --> 01:27:17,040
reason being is i was able to witness

2170
01:27:19,669 --> 01:27:18,400
the

2171
01:27:23,910 --> 01:27:19,679
radiation

2172
01:27:25,270 --> 01:27:23,920
able to describe

2173
01:27:29,430 --> 01:27:25,280
what went on

2174
01:27:30,709 --> 01:27:29,440
and a lot of your ufo sightings

2175
01:27:33,430 --> 01:27:30,719
per se

2176
01:27:35,189 --> 01:27:33,440
are i think some of them they sound like

2177
01:27:37,350 --> 01:27:35,199
they're off the wall

2178
01:27:38,629 --> 01:27:37,360
and you know you come up with all kinds

2179
01:27:41,830 --> 01:27:38,639
of theories

2180
01:27:43,669 --> 01:27:41,840
but i'm not despairing anybody from

2181
01:27:45,750 --> 01:27:43,679
saying what they saw

2182
01:27:47,030 --> 01:27:45,760
some of them some

2183
01:27:51,030 --> 01:27:47,040
legitimate

2184
01:27:53,430 --> 01:27:51,040
and

2185
01:27:54,709 --> 01:27:53,440
you know it's one of those things where

2186
01:27:57,350 --> 01:27:54,719
this time

2187
01:27:58,550 --> 01:27:57,360
the difference was that that our

2188
01:28:00,870 --> 01:27:58,560
encounter

2189
01:28:03,590 --> 01:28:00,880
was witnessed by so many people at the

2190
01:28:05,030 --> 01:28:03,600
same time and so many of us had

2191
01:28:08,950 --> 01:28:05,040
credibility

2192
01:28:11,830 --> 01:28:08,960
that we didn't exaggerate from the truth

2193
01:28:14,870 --> 01:28:11,840
and that's what you have to have

2194
01:28:16,390 --> 01:28:14,880
if you can keep if you can keep

2195
01:28:18,629 --> 01:28:16,400
your story

2196
01:28:21,510 --> 01:28:18,639
in line with truth

2197
01:28:25,270 --> 01:28:21,520
then you can evaluate and you can go

2198
01:28:28,149 --> 01:28:25,280
back over it over and over over again

2199
01:28:31,110 --> 01:28:28,159
and theorize and come up with a reason

2200
01:28:33,110 --> 01:28:31,120
but if you change your story today

2201
01:28:35,669 --> 01:28:33,120
you do it today and then tomorrow you

2202
01:28:36,390 --> 01:28:35,679
come up and you add just a little bit to

2203
01:28:39,110 --> 01:28:36,400
it

2204
01:28:40,950 --> 01:28:39,120
you've already contaminated the story

2205
01:28:42,629 --> 01:28:40,960
then you add a little bit more a little

2206
01:28:44,550 --> 01:28:42,639
bit more than a little bit more than

2207
01:28:47,270 --> 01:28:44,560
over 41 years

2208
01:28:50,070 --> 01:28:47,280
you got a bunch of garbage out there

2209
01:28:53,750 --> 01:28:50,080
and that's the one thing that i have i

2210
01:28:56,229 --> 01:28:53,760
made about myself a long time ago

2211
01:28:57,350 --> 01:28:56,239
more than 41 years ago when i became a

2212
01:28:59,350 --> 01:28:57,360
marine

2213
01:29:01,110 --> 01:28:59,360
i would be the best i could be and do

2214
01:29:03,669 --> 01:29:01,120
the best i could do

2215
01:29:04,870 --> 01:29:03,679
air force tried to stop me and try to

2216
01:29:06,550 --> 01:29:04,880
try to

2217
01:29:09,189 --> 01:29:06,560
discredit me

2218
01:29:10,790 --> 01:29:09,199
with some of the co-call i called them

2219
01:29:12,629 --> 01:29:10,800
uh

2220
01:29:15,510 --> 01:29:12,639
jealous hypocrites that were running

2221
01:29:18,310 --> 01:29:15,520
around the football trying to destroy me

2222
01:29:21,669 --> 01:29:18,320
and the third air force and captain coop

2223
01:29:24,790 --> 01:29:21,679
johnston would be my my boss

2224
01:29:27,510 --> 01:29:24,800
and she was the one that wrote my my

2225
01:29:29,669 --> 01:29:27,520
performance support and i was always on

2226
01:29:33,110 --> 01:29:29,679
nine talking again

2227
01:29:35,350 --> 01:29:33,120
and goku comes on lead they were nine

2228
01:29:36,550 --> 01:29:35,360
and signed by colonel williams they were

2229
01:29:38,950 --> 01:29:36,560
number nine

2230
01:29:41,110 --> 01:29:38,960
so i didn't have anything to hide i kept

2231
01:29:42,950 --> 01:29:41,120
spraying

2232
01:29:45,590 --> 01:29:42,960
and you know and my

2233
01:29:48,550 --> 01:29:45,600
my integrity has stood strong over the

2234
01:29:52,390 --> 01:29:50,310
i'm trying to understand this question

2235
01:29:54,470 --> 01:29:52,400
in chat um

2236
01:29:56,790 --> 01:29:54,480
they want me to ask you

2237
01:29:59,430 --> 01:29:56,800
about the others during that night

2238
01:30:01,270 --> 01:29:59,440
are their views do they agree with you

2239
01:30:02,229 --> 01:30:01,280
or do they agree with halt he's talking

2240
01:30:04,310 --> 01:30:02,239
about

2241
01:30:06,470 --> 01:30:04,320
boston zana but i don't know how to

2242
01:30:08,310 --> 01:30:06,480
pronounce that name england ball

2243
01:30:09,830 --> 01:30:08,320
um

2244
01:30:11,510 --> 01:30:09,840
are there people that i mean are we

2245
01:30:13,590 --> 01:30:11,520
talking about people taking sides with

2246
01:30:14,470 --> 01:30:13,600
oh yeah you're you're more accurate than

2247
01:30:15,669 --> 01:30:14,480
i mean

2248
01:30:18,950 --> 01:30:15,679
i i'm

2249
01:30:21,189 --> 01:30:18,960
trying to understand the question in

2250
01:30:24,390 --> 01:30:21,199
let me particular it this way it doesn't

2251
01:30:26,390 --> 01:30:24,400
bother me which side you take you know i

2252
01:30:29,430 --> 01:30:26,400
guess that way it don't bother me

2253
01:30:31,910 --> 01:30:29,440
because no matter what no my what is fed

2254
01:30:35,270 --> 01:30:31,920
and what is believed the truth will

2255
01:30:37,510 --> 01:30:35,280
always stand above alive and if i tell

2256
01:30:40,550 --> 01:30:37,520
you today that it's red

2257
01:30:42,470 --> 01:30:40,560
tomorrow i go back in there and i say

2258
01:30:45,030 --> 01:30:42,480
well it was red and it had a little bit

2259
01:30:47,590 --> 01:30:45,040
of green in it and then i go back next

2260
01:30:49,590 --> 01:30:47,600
time and then i add some yellow to it

2261
01:30:51,910 --> 01:30:49,600
and then by the time it's all finished

2262
01:30:55,510 --> 01:30:51,920
no covers match up

2263
01:30:56,550 --> 01:30:55,520
and micro my colors span uh my storage

2264
01:30:58,950 --> 01:30:56,560
stand

2265
01:31:00,390 --> 01:30:58,960
proof and i just don't change it i'm not

2266
01:31:01,189 --> 01:31:00,400
gonna change it

2267
01:31:03,510 --> 01:31:01,199
so

2268
01:31:05,350 --> 01:31:03,520
if you take what everybody else has said

2269
01:31:08,149 --> 01:31:05,360
and compare it

2270
01:31:09,830 --> 01:31:08,159
then you can make your own judgment and

2271
01:31:12,470 --> 01:31:09,840
your if you go back

2272
01:31:15,110 --> 01:31:12,480
you'll find that over over the years my

2273
01:31:17,669 --> 01:31:15,120
story very changed very little

2274
01:31:20,470 --> 01:31:17,679
and it and and the others on the other

2275
01:31:22,229 --> 01:31:20,480
hand he's had to and keep adding and

2276
01:31:23,910 --> 01:31:22,239
colonel does

2277
01:31:25,910 --> 01:31:23,920
you know he says one thing and the next

2278
01:31:27,669 --> 01:31:25,920
thing comes up says nothing i don't have

2279
01:31:29,030 --> 01:31:27,679
anything that's colonel hall but he gets

2280
01:31:31,510 --> 01:31:29,040
mad at me

2281
01:31:33,750 --> 01:31:31,520
and he just wrote another book with the

2282
01:31:36,550 --> 01:31:33,760
answer of john hanson

2283
01:31:38,470 --> 01:31:36,560
and he's trying to tear me down

2284
01:31:41,030 --> 01:31:38,480
because i stood for the truth and i

2285
01:31:41,990 --> 01:31:41,040
don't care it don't hurt me it hurts

2286
01:31:42,790 --> 01:31:42,000
them

2287
01:31:45,189 --> 01:31:42,800
and

2288
01:31:47,750 --> 01:31:45,199
if anybody wants to lie about what i say

2289
01:31:50,790 --> 01:31:47,760
they don't hurt me it hurts them

2290
01:31:52,550 --> 01:31:50,800
and i just want change and

2291
01:31:54,550 --> 01:31:52,560
maybe i'm stubborn

2292
01:31:57,910 --> 01:31:54,560
but my grandma was my first real

2293
01:32:00,310 --> 01:31:57,920
instructor and she taught me well

2294
01:32:02,229 --> 01:32:00,320
truth all the time don't ever change it

2295
01:32:02,950 --> 01:32:02,239
and i said okay thank you

2296
01:32:06,709 --> 01:32:02,960
and

2297
01:32:09,270 --> 01:32:06,719
at 73 years old it did pretty good

2298
01:32:10,629 --> 01:32:09,280
uh mark twain had a saying that if you

2299
01:32:12,390 --> 01:32:10,639
tell the truth you don't have to

2300
01:32:13,350 --> 01:32:12,400
remember

2301
01:32:15,510 --> 01:32:13,360
that's it

2302
01:32:18,790 --> 01:32:15,520
yeah

2303
01:32:21,350 --> 01:32:18,800
i always thought that was a good one

2304
01:32:24,709 --> 01:32:21,360
yeah so the line is open

2305
01:32:26,390 --> 01:32:24,719
and that number is 207 482

2306
01:32:27,270 --> 01:32:26,400
0 five five

2307
01:32:28,709 --> 01:32:27,280
six

2308
01:32:31,590 --> 01:32:28,719
um

2309
01:32:34,149 --> 01:32:31,600
if that if this story didn't come out of

2310
01:32:36,390 --> 01:32:34,159
course i would i'd imagine a man of your

2311
01:32:38,229 --> 01:32:36,400
integrity would just have never talked

2312
01:32:40,629 --> 01:32:38,239
about it but hang on just a minute we

2313
01:32:42,790 --> 01:32:40,639
have another caller coming in looks like

2314
01:32:44,470 --> 01:32:42,800
from the

2315
01:32:46,470 --> 01:32:44,480
looks like from east bay california

2316
01:32:50,310 --> 01:32:46,480
hello you're live on the air

2317
01:32:54,950 --> 01:32:51,830
hang on just a second try that again

2318
01:32:56,950 --> 01:32:54,960
your name again yeah uh elton e-l-t-o-n

2319
01:32:57,990 --> 01:32:56,960
oh yeah elton how are you i've talked to

2320
01:32:59,590 --> 01:32:58,000
you before

2321
01:33:02,790 --> 01:32:59,600
hi

2322
01:33:04,229 --> 01:33:02,800
you got a question for our guest alton

2323
01:33:06,790 --> 01:33:04,239
you're gonna have to do you're gonna

2324
01:33:08,790 --> 01:33:06,800
have to mute your mute your computer

2325
01:33:10,310 --> 01:33:08,800
your radio if anyone calls in you're

2326
01:33:12,790 --> 01:33:10,320
going to have to mute your

2327
01:33:16,149 --> 01:33:12,800
your what you're listening on hi martin

2328
01:33:18,950 --> 01:33:16,159
hey elton got a question for our guest

2329
01:33:22,229 --> 01:33:18,960
yes uh i would like to know if he is

2330
01:33:25,030 --> 01:33:22,239
aware of a book called left at eastgate

2331
01:33:27,669 --> 01:33:25,040
written by larry warren he claims to

2332
01:33:29,350 --> 01:33:27,679
have been there it was on the 28th of

2333
01:33:31,750 --> 01:33:29,360
december

2334
01:33:34,070 --> 01:33:31,760
and uh i wonder if he's aware of it and

2335
01:33:36,470 --> 01:33:34,080
what he has to say about that because he

2336
01:33:39,350 --> 01:33:36,480
actually claimed to see

2337
01:33:41,189 --> 01:33:39,360
aliens that look like children so

2338
01:33:43,030 --> 01:33:41,199
yeah i've got something to say about

2339
01:33:45,110 --> 01:33:43,040
that if our guest doesn't

2340
01:33:49,030 --> 01:33:45,120
go ahead

2341
01:33:53,510 --> 01:33:50,950
i cannot believe

2342
01:33:57,030 --> 01:33:53,520
i do not believe that larry warren had

2343
01:33:59,110 --> 01:33:57,040
anything to do with anything out there

2344
01:34:01,830 --> 01:33:59,120
he told too many lies

2345
01:34:04,070 --> 01:34:01,840
stories too many uh

2346
01:34:07,110 --> 01:34:04,080
things that in his all the books have

2347
01:34:08,790 --> 01:34:07,120
been written by bruno and

2348
01:34:10,709 --> 01:34:08,800
you know everybody else

2349
01:34:14,149 --> 01:34:10,719
all of those people that have written

2350
01:34:16,870 --> 01:34:14,159
the books and his story changes so much

2351
01:34:19,350 --> 01:34:16,880
on the internet and everywhere he goes

2352
01:34:20,709 --> 01:34:19,360
and i didn't know it's out there i

2353
01:34:23,189 --> 01:34:20,719
didn't see him

2354
01:34:25,110 --> 01:34:23,199
and you know and

2355
01:34:27,110 --> 01:34:25,120
nobody else seems to have recognized and

2356
01:34:30,070 --> 01:34:27,120
hasn't been out there either

2357
01:34:31,590 --> 01:34:30,080
so i would say that all it is is just a

2358
01:34:35,189 --> 01:34:31,600
ballroom or

2359
01:34:36,390 --> 01:34:35,199
a pub uh pub talk right there you don't

2360
01:34:37,750 --> 01:34:36,400
want to

2361
01:34:40,310 --> 01:34:37,760
sit there and

2362
01:34:41,910 --> 01:34:40,320
add on and take away and

2363
01:34:43,109 --> 01:34:41,920
now that's why that that's the way he

2364
01:34:46,870 --> 01:34:43,119
appears

2365
01:34:48,709 --> 01:34:46,880
and i will not verify him at all yeah i

2366
01:34:50,470 --> 01:34:48,719
think it's uh um elton you're probably

2367
01:34:53,189 --> 01:34:50,480
not aware of this because you had that

2368
01:34:55,590 --> 01:34:53,199
question but it's pretty much

2369
01:34:56,629 --> 01:34:55,600
a given that larry warren

2370
01:34:58,149 --> 01:34:56,639
um

2371
01:35:00,470 --> 01:34:58,159
was using

2372
01:35:02,870 --> 01:35:00,480
second-hand knowledge when he wrote that

2373
01:35:04,790 --> 01:35:02,880
book and he was not there on site it's

2374
01:35:06,790 --> 01:35:04,800
pretty much uh knowledge i do believe it

2375
01:35:08,470 --> 01:35:06,800
was larry warren that first broke the

2376
01:35:10,870 --> 01:35:08,480
story is that right though do you know

2377
01:35:15,590 --> 01:35:12,709
no sir

2378
01:35:17,350 --> 01:35:15,600
how did that first get out then

2379
01:35:21,030 --> 01:35:17,360
well it got out

2380
01:35:22,229 --> 01:35:21,040
i think largely because uh

2381
01:35:24,870 --> 01:35:22,239
uh

2382
01:35:26,629 --> 01:35:24,880
borough was trying to

2383
01:35:30,310 --> 01:35:26,639
get the air force

2384
01:35:31,910 --> 01:35:30,320
or the va to give him uh

2385
01:35:34,870 --> 01:35:31,920
disability

2386
01:35:36,229 --> 01:35:34,880
because he was pushing pushing the story

2387
01:35:39,109 --> 01:35:36,239
very hard

2388
01:35:42,149 --> 01:35:39,119
from the very beginning him and uh

2389
01:35:43,830 --> 01:35:42,159
i think bob benningston and

2390
01:35:46,229 --> 01:35:43,840
colonel hall and all of them they were

2391
01:35:50,790 --> 01:35:46,239
trying to go through the

2392
01:35:55,030 --> 01:35:52,790
classified information

2393
01:35:56,629 --> 01:35:55,040
and they were trying to get get the

2394
01:35:58,950 --> 01:35:56,639
answers for it

2395
01:36:00,629 --> 01:35:58,960
and you know because again a lot of

2396
01:36:03,590 --> 01:36:00,639
disparity there

2397
01:36:05,830 --> 01:36:03,600
but i believe that burl may have been i

2398
01:36:06,870 --> 01:36:05,840
don't know that he was i can't prove

2399
01:36:11,350 --> 01:36:06,880
that

2400
01:36:13,910 --> 01:36:11,360
his uh

2401
01:36:17,510 --> 01:36:13,920
stories that he did come through i did

2402
01:36:20,790 --> 01:36:17,520
my first story on 2003

2403
01:36:23,189 --> 01:36:20,800
and it had been out far to that

2404
01:36:25,910 --> 01:36:23,199
so i don't know you know i really i

2405
01:36:29,109 --> 01:36:27,590
all right well then the other thought i

2406
01:36:31,270 --> 01:36:29,119
had

2407
01:36:33,270 --> 01:36:31,280
when this thing happened

2408
01:36:36,470 --> 01:36:33,280
was it something that

2409
01:36:39,990 --> 01:36:36,480
was very puzzling that you thought about

2410
01:36:41,910 --> 01:36:40,000
over the years before the story came out

2411
01:36:44,149 --> 01:36:41,920
it was by me i thought about it and

2412
01:36:46,070 --> 01:36:44,159
talked about it all about everything for

2413
01:36:48,629 --> 01:36:46,080
the last 41 years

2414
01:36:52,229 --> 01:36:48,639
i was a bartender in the uh

2415
01:36:53,590 --> 01:36:52,239
nco clubs and all those clubs and army

2416
01:36:56,229 --> 01:36:53,600
navy

2417
01:36:57,510 --> 01:36:56,239
army in the air force and uh

2418
01:36:59,910 --> 01:36:57,520
you know so i

2419
01:37:02,390 --> 01:36:59,920
i talked you know as bartender

2420
01:37:03,830 --> 01:37:02,400
and i'd get in with you all especially

2421
01:37:05,750 --> 01:37:03,840
with the officers

2422
01:37:07,910 --> 01:37:05,760
and you know pilots and stuff and we

2423
01:37:10,950 --> 01:37:07,920
were always talking about

2424
01:37:12,470 --> 01:37:10,960
uh experiences that we had seen you know

2425
01:37:15,669 --> 01:37:12,480
flying and

2426
01:37:18,629 --> 01:37:15,679
uh things of that nature so it was easy

2427
01:37:19,669 --> 01:37:18,639
for me to communicate and always have it

2428
01:37:20,790 --> 01:37:19,679
back

2429
01:37:23,350 --> 01:37:20,800
listening

2430
01:37:25,030 --> 01:37:23,360
but you know in eight

2431
01:37:29,030 --> 01:37:25,040
i mean uh

2432
01:37:31,109 --> 01:37:29,040
was 83 i believe it was

2433
01:37:34,149 --> 01:37:31,119
when they first started doing my my

2434
01:37:37,350 --> 01:37:34,159
recording i did one with find gumbel i

2435
01:37:39,830 --> 01:37:37,360
think it was or invasion that renders

2436
01:37:41,830 --> 01:37:39,840
from forest something like that i still

2437
01:37:45,350 --> 01:37:41,840
have a vhf

2438
01:37:50,550 --> 01:37:48,310
what about the um i was told by i can't

2439
01:37:53,830 --> 01:37:50,560
remember if it was john burroughs or

2440
01:37:56,790 --> 01:37:53,840
john i mean our or charles halt

2441
01:37:59,030 --> 01:37:56,800
or chuck as he likes to be called um

2442
01:38:00,870 --> 01:37:59,040
they s one of those twos told me that

2443
01:38:03,350 --> 01:38:00,880
they thought the

2444
01:38:05,350 --> 01:38:03,360
the original unsolved mysteries was very

2445
01:38:08,709 --> 01:38:05,360
accurate what did you think about that

2446
01:38:12,950 --> 01:38:10,390
um maybe

2447
01:38:14,470 --> 01:38:12,960
the original unsolved mysteries when was

2448
01:38:17,189 --> 01:38:14,480
that recorded

2449
01:38:19,189 --> 01:38:17,199
um it was fairly early because they're

2450
01:38:21,590 --> 01:38:19,199
pretty young looking looks like i have

2451
01:38:23,750 --> 01:38:21,600
another call coming in so we'll hold

2452
01:38:26,149 --> 01:38:23,760
that thought for right now

2453
01:38:28,950 --> 01:38:26,159
uh caller you are on the air live

2454
01:38:31,830 --> 01:38:28,960
welcome to the show your first name

2455
01:38:33,189 --> 01:38:31,840
joanie hi how are you where are you

2456
01:38:35,350 --> 01:38:33,199
calling from

2457
01:38:37,030 --> 01:38:35,360
yeah

2458
01:38:38,550 --> 01:38:37,040
oh okay you have a question for our

2459
01:38:40,629 --> 01:38:38,560
guest tonight

2460
01:38:42,709 --> 01:38:40,639
yes i do have he ever discussed this

2461
01:38:46,149 --> 01:38:42,719
with linda lolden

2462
01:38:47,270 --> 01:38:46,159
yeah he talked about that earlier yes

2463
01:38:49,030 --> 01:38:47,280
sorry

2464
01:38:55,669 --> 01:38:49,040
well has he ever

2465
01:38:59,270 --> 01:38:57,669
about what have you talked with nick

2466
01:39:00,629 --> 01:38:59,280
pope about this do you do you know who

2467
01:39:04,870 --> 01:39:00,639
nick pope is

2468
01:39:08,470 --> 01:39:04,880
yeah yes nick pope nick pope and uh

2469
01:39:12,629 --> 01:39:10,950
nick pope and paranormal witness i

2470
01:39:13,750 --> 01:39:12,639
believe it was

2471
01:39:17,750 --> 01:39:13,760
did a

2472
01:39:20,950 --> 01:39:17,760
film on me and if you look on uh

2473
01:39:22,070 --> 01:39:20,960
i think it's on uh let me think history

2474
01:39:25,590 --> 01:39:22,080
channel

2475
01:39:26,950 --> 01:39:25,600
and it's called uh left let's say what

2476
01:39:28,870 --> 01:39:26,960
was it it was

2477
01:39:29,669 --> 01:39:28,880
nukes and

2478
01:39:32,709 --> 01:39:29,679
uh

2479
01:39:35,350 --> 01:39:32,719
ufos and nukes or something like that

2480
01:39:36,470 --> 01:39:35,360
and if you go on to uh

2481
01:39:46,870 --> 01:39:36,480
uh

2482
01:39:48,390 --> 01:39:46,880
was done

2483
01:39:51,350 --> 01:39:48,400
uh again

2484
01:39:53,750 --> 01:39:51,360
and those are reported but uh nick pope

2485
01:39:54,629 --> 01:39:53,760
did the entire interview with me for the

2486
01:39:56,709 --> 01:39:54,639
uh

2487
01:39:58,229 --> 01:39:56,719
the last one that i did

2488
01:40:01,270 --> 01:39:58,239
and uh

2489
01:40:02,870 --> 01:40:01,280
he did that story on nukes and radiation

2490
01:40:04,149 --> 01:40:02,880
so i'm on there

2491
01:40:06,390 --> 01:40:04,159
briefly

2492
01:40:08,709 --> 01:40:06,400
and uh that was when he talked but he

2493
01:40:11,030 --> 01:40:08,719
did the entire interview with me

2494
01:40:14,950 --> 01:40:11,040
i don't think could uh folks like what i

2495
01:40:16,149 --> 01:40:14,960
had to say sometimes but that was okay

2496
01:40:18,310 --> 01:40:16,159
you know

2497
01:40:19,189 --> 01:40:18,320
that's what that's the way it goes you

2498
01:40:20,830 --> 01:40:19,199
know

2499
01:40:24,470 --> 01:40:20,840
he asked me off

2500
01:40:26,709 --> 01:40:24,480
off scene you know off the show what i

2501
01:40:29,750 --> 01:40:26,719
thought and i told him and uh

2502
01:40:31,189 --> 01:40:29,760
it didn't line up with the narrative and

2503
01:40:32,950 --> 01:40:31,199
uh so

2504
01:40:35,030 --> 01:40:32,960
we left it at that

2505
01:40:37,270 --> 01:40:35,040
but i did go out to

2506
01:40:40,870 --> 01:40:37,280
los angeles california

2507
01:40:43,270 --> 01:40:40,880
and uh did a show out there twice

2508
01:40:44,390 --> 01:40:43,280
one with pope and one with another

2509
01:40:49,189 --> 01:40:44,400
company

2510
01:40:51,430 --> 01:40:49,199
they

2511
01:40:53,270 --> 01:40:51,440
put a lot of uh

2512
01:40:55,430 --> 01:40:53,280
uh

2513
01:40:57,189 --> 01:40:55,440
fiction in their nonfiction you know put

2514
01:40:59,109 --> 01:40:57,199
it in there where in other words it

2515
01:41:01,990 --> 01:40:59,119
wasn't what i said it was

2516
01:41:04,629 --> 01:41:02,000
made it look like i was just the you

2517
01:41:06,870 --> 01:41:04,639
know the wrong person on there

2518
01:41:09,189 --> 01:41:06,880
and uh it wasn't accurate

2519
01:41:11,990 --> 01:41:09,199
but that was okay

2520
01:41:14,390 --> 01:41:12,000
and uh they cried to faith and come all

2521
01:41:17,430 --> 01:41:14,400
called me up on the last one

2522
01:41:19,910 --> 01:41:17,440
and asked me if i said that

2523
01:41:21,990 --> 01:41:19,920
uh that a beam came down and burned a

2524
01:41:24,950 --> 01:41:22,000
hole in the uh

2525
01:41:27,830 --> 01:41:24,960
uh bunker and i told him no

2526
01:41:30,310 --> 01:41:27,840
and he said well boy they should try to

2527
01:41:32,390 --> 01:41:30,320
make you say that it did

2528
01:41:36,310 --> 01:41:32,400
and i said well

2529
01:41:39,350 --> 01:41:36,320
what they told me was uh what they did

2530
01:41:40,629 --> 01:41:39,360
is they took out the i heard part of it

2531
01:41:42,950 --> 01:41:40,639
and left it

2532
01:41:45,270 --> 01:41:42,960
and said that i had said that there was

2533
01:41:46,229 --> 01:41:45,280
a whole burn and made nuclear weapons

2534
01:41:48,149 --> 01:41:46,239
board

2535
01:41:49,830 --> 01:41:48,159
and i didn't say that i

2536
01:41:52,709 --> 01:41:49,840
heard that before

2537
01:41:55,270 --> 01:41:52,719
yeah so that's how that got out yeah

2538
01:41:57,270 --> 01:41:55,280
that happens a lot unfortunately uh on

2539
01:41:58,470 --> 01:41:57,280
the cutting room floor as they say

2540
01:42:03,590 --> 01:41:58,480
things change

2541
01:42:05,270 --> 01:42:03,600
um so when this this was um

2542
01:42:07,189 --> 01:42:05,280
uh happening

2543
01:42:09,030 --> 01:42:07,199
um oh wait a minute i wanted to finish

2544
01:42:12,470 --> 01:42:09,040
up the thought about uh unsolved

2545
01:42:14,870 --> 01:42:12,480
mysteries that was back in 1991

2546
01:42:17,830 --> 01:42:14,880
and when that when that came out with uh

2547
01:42:19,590 --> 01:42:17,840
with stack um as the host

2548
01:42:21,270 --> 01:42:19,600
do you think anything that you've

2549
01:42:22,709 --> 01:42:21,280
watched over the years

2550
01:42:24,470 --> 01:42:22,719
i guess i'll put it that way and the

2551
01:42:26,310 --> 01:42:24,480
reason i'm asking this is for someone

2552
01:42:28,790 --> 01:42:26,320
that's listening to the show if there's

2553
01:42:30,629 --> 01:42:28,800
an account out there that you think is

2554
01:42:32,950 --> 01:42:30,639
pretty darn good is there any in

2555
01:42:35,910 --> 01:42:32,960
particular you can recommend someone

2556
01:42:40,950 --> 01:42:37,910
not as uh

2557
01:42:43,270 --> 01:42:40,960
per say that's what i would recommend

2558
01:42:44,390 --> 01:42:43,280
and i i feel this is the best thing you

2559
01:42:49,109 --> 01:42:44,400
can do

2560
01:42:51,109 --> 01:42:49,119
is the book that jim bennington or rose

2561
01:42:53,590 --> 01:42:51,119
and render from enigma

2562
01:42:54,870 --> 01:42:53,600
is the most accurate

2563
01:42:57,109 --> 01:42:54,880
of all

2564
01:42:59,669 --> 01:42:57,119
books that have been written his is both

2565
01:43:01,990 --> 01:42:59,679
accurate and the most thorough

2566
01:43:04,550 --> 01:43:02,000
of the whole encounter

2567
01:43:07,030 --> 01:43:04,560
and if you read that you can listen to

2568
01:43:09,030 --> 01:43:07,040
that and you can hear what he is saying

2569
01:43:10,870 --> 01:43:09,040
and with an open mind you can see what

2570
01:43:13,750 --> 01:43:10,880
he's talking about

2571
01:43:15,430 --> 01:43:13,760
and that is a disparity of what some

2572
01:43:17,350 --> 01:43:15,440
people have said

2573
01:43:20,149 --> 01:43:17,360
but uh

2574
01:43:21,109 --> 01:43:20,159
you know that uh that book was written

2575
01:43:24,550 --> 01:43:21,119
very

2576
01:43:25,990 --> 01:43:24,560
you know gary uh wrote and uh tim

2577
01:43:28,470 --> 01:43:26,000
fenningson wrote

2578
01:43:29,910 --> 01:43:28,480
though that was the the best that i've

2579
01:43:32,629 --> 01:43:29,920
seen

2580
01:43:35,590 --> 01:43:32,639
yes i i did want to mention that that's

2581
01:43:39,430 --> 01:43:35,600
also in the show notes as well as on the

2582
01:43:42,470 --> 01:43:39,440
text of uh of uh this

2583
01:43:44,470 --> 01:43:42,480
youtube etc so if someone wants to uh

2584
01:43:46,870 --> 01:43:44,480
get that book i've got one coming in the

2585
01:43:49,750 --> 01:43:46,880
mail i'm pretty excited about uh i can't

2586
01:43:54,870 --> 01:43:49,760
wait to read it so we have about four

2587
01:43:57,030 --> 01:43:54,880
minutes or so left and so um

2588
01:43:59,990 --> 01:43:57,040
as i was i was kind of hinting around i

2589
01:44:01,990 --> 01:44:00,000
think we got a break from a call but if

2590
01:44:04,709 --> 01:44:02,000
this had never

2591
01:44:05,669 --> 01:44:04,719
come out um at all

2592
01:44:07,669 --> 01:44:05,679
and

2593
01:44:08,870 --> 01:44:07,679
do you think you have just plain kept it

2594
01:44:11,030 --> 01:44:08,880
to yourself

2595
01:44:13,669 --> 01:44:11,040
and just think that it wasn't that big

2596
01:44:15,750 --> 01:44:13,679
of a deal or when you saw it you know so

2597
01:44:17,830 --> 01:44:15,760
sensationalized did you think it was

2598
01:44:21,350 --> 01:44:17,840
over the top what was your thoughts as

2599
01:44:23,510 --> 01:44:21,360
you as you went along um

2600
01:44:25,430 --> 01:44:23,520
on how this story progressed in

2601
01:44:28,149 --> 01:44:25,440
different ways

2602
01:44:30,790 --> 01:44:28,159
well i never kept it to myself you know

2603
01:44:34,950 --> 01:44:30,800
after i found out it was declassified

2604
01:44:36,550 --> 01:44:34,960
yeah and was no no longer top secret i

2605
01:44:37,669 --> 01:44:36,560
spoke out

2606
01:44:40,070 --> 01:44:37,679
you know

2607
01:44:41,590 --> 01:44:40,080
and you have a cell clearance if you if

2608
01:44:42,870 --> 01:44:41,600
you go out and

2609
01:44:44,790 --> 01:44:42,880
uh

2610
01:44:46,550 --> 01:44:44,800
leak out a little bit here and a little

2611
01:44:48,629 --> 01:44:46,560
bit there and a little bit more over

2612
01:44:50,550 --> 01:44:48,639
there eventually it's watered down and

2613
01:44:52,870 --> 01:44:50,560
everybody knows everything

2614
01:44:54,310 --> 01:44:52,880
but when it was declassified that's when

2615
01:44:56,390 --> 01:44:54,320
i spoke out

2616
01:44:59,350 --> 01:44:56,400
and but i've always

2617
01:45:01,430 --> 01:44:59,360
encountered not the full details but i

2618
01:45:04,070 --> 01:45:01,440
would tell them what i've seen well you

2619
01:45:06,790 --> 01:45:04,080
know all of them how they're transpired

2620
01:45:09,510 --> 01:45:06,800
how i got out there et cetera et cetera

2621
01:45:10,950 --> 01:45:09,520
with my supervisors and and things that

2622
01:45:12,390 --> 01:45:10,960
i had done

2623
01:45:15,350 --> 01:45:12,400
and uh

2624
01:45:18,310 --> 01:45:15,360
then when it once it was released then

2625
01:45:20,950 --> 01:45:18,320
yes i started speaking of it more

2626
01:45:22,790 --> 01:45:20,960
and you know we're glad to talk to

2627
01:45:25,109 --> 01:45:22,800
anybody about it and

2628
01:45:27,270 --> 01:45:25,119
people that know me over the years have

2629
01:45:28,550 --> 01:45:27,280
come to me and asked me

2630
01:45:30,870 --> 01:45:28,560
what my

2631
01:45:33,189 --> 01:45:30,880
encounter was what i thought and what i

2632
01:45:35,590 --> 01:45:33,199
did in court tell them

2633
01:45:37,430 --> 01:45:35,600
and but it never changed it was always

2634
01:45:40,149 --> 01:45:37,440
the same thing

2635
01:45:41,430 --> 01:45:40,159
yeah yeah and are you do you keep in

2636
01:45:44,310 --> 01:45:41,440
touch with

2637
01:45:45,750 --> 01:45:44,320
almost everyone or are there some people

2638
01:45:47,430 --> 01:45:45,760
that you've heard talk that you never

2639
01:45:49,189 --> 01:45:47,440
want to even talk

2640
01:45:52,470 --> 01:45:49,199
uh talk to uh

2641
01:45:55,750 --> 01:45:52,480
for their story because of their stories

2642
01:45:59,030 --> 01:45:55,760
i will talk to anybody and i will answer

2643
01:46:01,350 --> 01:45:59,040
the emails to anybody and you know it

2644
01:46:02,550 --> 01:46:01,360
don't bother me because

2645
01:46:04,390 --> 01:46:02,560
i mean

2646
01:46:07,030 --> 01:46:04,400
if you don't talk about it then nobody

2647
01:46:09,109 --> 01:46:07,040
knows anything and then if you tell the

2648
01:46:10,629 --> 01:46:09,119
proof and you keep telling the truth and

2649
01:46:12,629 --> 01:46:10,639
keep coming through the venture

2650
01:46:16,229 --> 01:46:12,639
somebody's to believe it

2651
01:46:19,669 --> 01:46:16,239
and that's the way i do and i hope

2652
01:46:23,030 --> 01:46:19,679
that what i am when i talk about it

2653
01:46:26,310 --> 01:46:23,040
my main my main concern is hey

2654
01:46:28,390 --> 01:46:26,320
this did happen you can hypothesize and

2655
01:46:29,990 --> 01:46:28,400
say what you want to about what you

2656
01:46:31,030 --> 01:46:30,000
think it is

2657
01:46:35,350 --> 01:46:31,040
but

2658
01:46:38,550 --> 01:46:35,360
themselves and then

2659
01:46:40,550 --> 01:46:38,560
go from there and see what you could

2660
01:46:44,470 --> 01:46:40,560
figure out could have

2661
01:46:46,310 --> 01:46:44,480
happened but keep the facts straight

2662
01:46:49,910 --> 01:46:46,320
i appreciate that very much it's been a

2663
01:46:51,350 --> 01:46:49,920
real pleasure talking to you tonight

2664
01:46:54,950 --> 01:46:51,360
enjoy it

2665
01:46:57,270 --> 01:46:54,960
yes ready to talk to anytime anywhere

2666
01:46:59,350 --> 01:46:57,280
and uh just contact me and you have a

2667
01:47:02,310 --> 01:46:59,360
contact form

2668
01:47:04,870 --> 01:47:02,320
and they can contact me at my email at

2669
01:47:09,430 --> 01:47:04,880
monroelevel dot uh

2670
01:47:12,149 --> 01:47:09,440
i mean monroemail 48 gmail.com or

2671
01:47:13,830 --> 01:47:12,159
wow you are certainly brave

2672
01:47:15,109 --> 01:47:13,840
all right all right monroe thank you

2673
01:47:16,870 --> 01:47:15,119
very much

2674
01:47:18,149 --> 01:47:16,880
have a good night

2675
01:47:19,830 --> 01:47:18,159
all right

2676
01:47:21,189 --> 01:47:19,840
take care

2677
01:47:23,750 --> 01:47:21,199
all right everyone so that's it for the

2678
01:47:27,189 --> 01:47:23,760
show this evening and we'll be on next

2679
01:47:29,510 --> 01:47:27,199
week with dr bob davis should be another

2680
01:47:33,870 --> 01:47:29,520
good show thank you for watching and

2681
01:47:43,190 --> 01:47:33,880
remember to keep your eyes to the sky